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Suns_PSD

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Do you feel confident Forbidden will be able to sell in US by the end of the year (genuinely curious)? We have yet to see the Amflow in the US.

Assuming the Tariffs don't screw it up, they are supposed to be available for purchase around 4th quarter in the USA. A lot of the earlier ones might already be spoken for though.

I obviously, can't speak to the tariffs.
 
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Ou812

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Assuming the Tariffs don't screw it up, they are supposed to be available for purchase around 4th quarter in the USA. A lot of the earlier ones might already be spoken for though.

I obviously, can't speak to the tariffs.
The tariffs have been paused as Canada and Mexico both folded as expected. Who knows how long it will last though, maybe it will give Forbidden a push to get the bike out faster as the US is probably their biggest market.
 

DirkWisely

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I'm curious what the value proposition will be for the e-druid. It seems like a similar bike to the Amflow, but for a couple grand more.
 

darwink1

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I'm curious what the value proposition will be for the e-druid. It seems like a similar bike to the Amflow, but for a couple grand more.
You'd be buying a bike from a manufacturer that's been making bikes at least for a little bit instead of an unknown startup.

I'm also hoping it won't be a wet noodle , check out the loam wolf reviews of the amflow.

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Suns_PSD

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I'm curious what the value proposition will be for the e-druid. It seems like a similar bike to the Amflow, but for a couple grand more.

I've seen pricing, it's not out of line but it's not a 'value proposition' either.

It's a bike that you really either have to have because it's exactly what you have been waiting for, and extra $2000 doesn't matter much, or it isn't.

If you want the DJI motor, and you want a High-Pivot, AND you want some pretty cutting edge or extreme geo (depends on perspective I guess), it'll be the ONLY choice.
 

jbrown15

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I've seen pricing, it's not out of line but it's not a 'value proposition' either.

It's a bike that you really either have to have because it's exactly what you have been waiting for, and extra $2000 doesn't matter much, or it isn't.

If you want the DJI motor, and you want a High-Pivot, AND you want some pretty cutting edge or extreme geo (depends on perspective I guess), it'll be the ONLY choice.
It's priced right in line with other brands offering carbon bikes. Similar to Santa Cruz Vala S spec and up and right in between an Orbea Wild M20 & M10 and priced up.

There will be three build specs. Lowest spec will have mechanical drivetrain and the two higher models will have AXS wireless. It's going to be a very polarizing bike with the HP and DJI motor.
 

whitymon

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I think there is also a commercial reason, they just do more margin on a complete bike that on a frame only.

So if they want to sustain, most brand cannot offer to just earn less, especially the one that does not sell a huge volume.
 

sethimus

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There is no frame only option, sadly there is a large tariff applied to frame only options on eBikes, Which is the reason you don't really see manufactures offering it. Troydon from Crestline discussed it in a podcast he did.
dunno how it is in the us, but a frame in europe is a bike part, therefore 4.7% tariff. importing completes is 15% because of added labour from outside the eu, therefore more expensive than building a bike in europe —> more jobs in europe
 

whitymon

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dunno how it is in the us, but a frame in europe is a bike part, therefore 4.7% tariff. importing completes is 15% because of added labour from outside the eu, therefore more expensive than building a bike in europe —> more jobs in europe
It really depends from where the product is coming.

6-7% EU tax
20 VAT tax / country
+ super bonus anti-dumping 10-70%


You can dodge if you are lucky, if not ...


Buying parts is obviously a smarter move than going complete when ordering in this case here from China, but this does not suits all needs and cases.

Eg: Giant is taxed 33,4% to come to EU. In the end, people are still gonna buy Giant, because the prices won't be that different as work labor over there is still way too low.
 

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