Dji avinox

DirkWisely

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How do people feel about the pro version? The price premium is pretty steep, is it actually worth it?

Edit: I think the biggest item in that premium is the carbon wheels. Those can be pretty expensive.
 

KnollyBro

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How do people feel about the pro version? The price premium is pretty steep, is it actually worth it?

Edit: I think the biggest item in that premium is the carbon wheels. Those can be pretty expensive.
Agreed. I would prefer to get the base model and upgrade the parts I want to upgrade. Then again, I would also want the smaller battery as I would not want to carry around weight I would never use. All this talk about how far and fast it goes but not not much chatter about how it performs. :unsure:
 
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Agreed. I would prefer to get the base model and upgrade the parts I want to upgrade. Then again, I would also want the smaller battery as I would not want to carry around weight I would never use. All this talk about how far and fast it goes but not not much chatter about how it performs. :unsure:
This link from earlier in the thread talks about the bike: Amflow PL Carbon Review - emtb-test.com

TLDR: It's a Levo.
 

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I have for two years now Fuel EXe. Had Levo SL gen2 for two weeks one month ago. Sorry, for me there is nothing to compare. Amflow is more composed in terrain then Exe (both with coil shock). More composed then Levo Sl, but Levo was on air shock. All of them are mullets. And yes, motor on Levo sounds like cheap coffemachine… I have no complains how Amflow rides, but have just 250km on it, mostly technical trails.
 

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I hear you. Everything I have found so far talks mostly about how impressive the motor is but if its really just a Levo SL for heavy people that want to ride up fire roads at max speed, I am not sure how popular it will be around here.
It's not really a levo SL, because the defining characteristic of that bike is the minimal power.

It's like the best parts of a turbo levo (but better) with the best parts of a levo SL. It's definitely going to be popular.
 

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IMO there is nothing revolutionary with the Amflow weight:

For comparison as already pointed out 2 full carbon frame bikes with only 0.9 kg difference:

The Amflow Base: 21,2 kg
(36 Fork, small X No pigiback shock, non removable battery, alloy wheels, weak exo front/trail exo+ rear tires)

Turbo Levo Pro: 22,1 kg
(38 fork, big X2 pigiback shock, removable battery, carbon wheels, trail rated front and rear tire )
 

Jazzii

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It's not really a levo SL, because the defining characteristic of that bike is the minimal power.

It's like the best parts of a turbo levo (but better) with the best parts of a levo SL. It's definitely going to be popula
IMO there is nothing revolutionary with the Amflow weight:

For comparison as already pointed out 2 full carbon frame bikes with only 0.9 kg difference:

The Amflow Base: 21,2 kg
(36 Fork, small X No pigiback shock, non removable battery, alloy wheels, weak exo front/trail exo+ rear tires)

Turbo Levo Pro: 22,1 kg
(38 fork, big X2 pigiback shock, removable battery, carbon wheels, trail rated front and rear tire )
And 6.5 vs 11k EUR :))) and much more, waste of time to count it here...
 

KnollyBro

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It's not really a levo SL, because the defining characteristic of that bike is the minimal power.

It's like the best parts of a turbo levo (but better) with the best parts of a levo SL. It's definitely going to be popular.
Well... other than the Amflow looking very similar to a Levo SL with a powerful motor, I would say the defining feature of the Levo SL is its weight, trail handling ability and the Specialized warranty. No doubt the Amflow will become popular in time but they will need to get the supply issues resolved and their inevitable warranty centers up and running before they become popular in Canada and the US. You may be able to GET a bike but when it breaks, repairing it yourself or shipping it back to China will be frustrating.
 

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I just spoke with an Amflow rep and he informed me that if you purchase their bike from any third party and have it shipped to the U.S. it would void the warranty.
 
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emtbeast

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New product vs old, old one now in biiig sale
As I wrote, waste of time...
Don't know what's your issue, my original post was about weight and you had the need to get it further onto the price, I gave you a fair comparison on the price, and no that's not ok...If you want to talk about something, make your own post about it, not jumping into someone else's and putting them down ...and yes u said it, some things are a just waste of time...peace out.
 

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IMO there is nothing revolutionary with the Amflow weight:

For comparison as already pointed out 2 full carbon frame bikes with only 0.9 kg difference:

The Amflow Base: 21,2 kg
(36 Fork, small X No pigiback shock, non removable battery, alloy wheels, weak exo front/trail exo+ rear tires)

Turbo Levo Pro: 22,1 kg
(38 fork, big X2 pigiback shock, removable battery, carbon wheels, trail rated front and rear tire )
amflow pro 20.4kg with 800Wh battery and 105Nm motor

Turbo Levo pro: 22.1kg with a small 700Wh battery and weak 90nm motor

It all depends on your perspective :ROFLMAO:
 

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The non removable battery drops the weight considerably because all parts can be constructed more lightweight and many parts aren't needed. So comparing two bikes you always have to take that into the equation. It also depends how the battery is removed. Turning the motor and letting it slide down like in the Levo is the lightes option that will also lead to lower center of gravity. But its not visually pleasant. Clipping it into the downtube is probably the heaviest option.
 

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My Alibaba link is getting my PL Carbon Large 800wh next week and shipping it to Los angeles via boat, hoping to get it by December. Said F it and rolling the dice. Price was $10,450 flat USD. Paid via AMEX
You might have seen my recent post, but have you found a way to maintain the warranty on the bike when shipped to the U.S.? I spoke with a representative from Amflow and he informed me that if the bike is delivered by a third party to the U.S. it will void the warranty. I have been communicating with a couple Alibaba suppliers and wanted to acquire the bike in this procedure as well but I would rather not own one without a warranty.
 
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Well here it is, the lab test of the Avinox...

1. It's obviously stronger than the rest(on trail tests) with about 730W, only the TQ HPR 120 trumps it.

2. It didn't reach the stated 850W maximum, actually it never even got over 800W, not even in Boost mode

3. It didn't reach the stated 1000W maximum in Boost mode, just 780W, boost only adds cca 50W.

4. It shut down completely for several minutes after being under input load of 250W for the duration of 22min in turbo mode (my hunch is that this is to maintain the legal requirement for the average continuous power level of 250W at their power levels that's probably necessary. It was mentioned that it could also be that the battery was overheating as it's integrated and it always happened at a low SOC of 40%.

5. The battery percentage on screen was glitchy on this test bike, not true to real life, example on trail 17% dropping instantly in a few meters to 3%, or working under full power on the lab stand for several minutes with 0% displayed.

6. In the derating test it stayed relatively cool but the power jumped up/down alot, with some bigger spikes completely different to other motors that are mostly stable in power delivery(probably also has something to do with the 250W legal limit).

7. The consumption is extremely high, but expected for such power, in Turbo mode: 6,1 Wh/1km on flat terrain, 39,2Wh/1km on an 10% average incline.

8. Interesting the motor fadeout(power drop)begins at 21,5km/h and not at 25km/h as other brands.

9. On trail it was not possible to replicate the derating to shutdown, but the tester said it was to cool this time of year and not steep enough to really test that.

10. In comparison to the new Bosch, the tester says the Bosch could be even a tick more smooth than the avinox, but that they are very close and he was impressed with the system, although just like my opinion he stated that time will tell about reliability and support by the representative dealers or online...

Data can be found in the Velomotion Magazin yt video.

As I am checking out of this thread, just a final thought...after seeing the real numbers for the avinox power figures, a 15% difference is unacceptable and is basically just a simple lie...it just confirmes my recent personal experience with the slepping dragons "Cha bu duo" mindset.
 

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"7. The consumption is extremely high, but expected for such power, in Turbo mode: 6,1 Wh/1km on flat terrain, 39,2Wh/1km on an 10% average incline."

Finally some real data on power consumption! Not just for the Avinox but for any system here on the boards. Usually it is just represented by a nefarious percentage of battery used as per the onboard screen.

Thanks for the report @emtbeast. Saves me pining over the Amflow all winter but not to say that DJI may take efforts to address issues as reports and rider feedback come in.
 

Jazzii

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Well here it is, the lab test of the Avinox...

1. It's obviously stronger than the rest(on trail tests) with about 730W, only the TQ HPR 120 trumps it.

2. It didn't reach the stated 850W maximum, actually it never even got over 800W, not even in Boost mode

3. It didn't reach the stated 1000W maximum in Boost mode, just 780W, boost only adds cca 50W.

4. It shut down completely for several minutes after being under input load of 250W for the duration of 22min in turbo mode (my hunch is that this is to maintain the legal requirement for the average continuous power level of 250W at their power levels that's probably necessary. It was mentioned that it could also be that the battery was overheating as it's integrated and it always happened at a low SOC of 40%.

5. The battery percentage on screen was glitchy on this test bike, not true to real life, example on trail 17% dropping instantly in a few meters to 3%, or working under full power on the lab stand for several minutes with 0% displayed.

6. In the derating test it stayed relatively cool but the power jumped up/down alot, with some bigger spikes completely different to other motors that are mostly stable in power delivery(probably also has something to do with the 250W legal limit).

7. The consumption is extremely high, but expected for such power, in Turbo mode: 6,1 Wh/1km on flat terrain, 39,2Wh/1km on an 10% average incline.

8. Interesting the motor fadeout(power drop)begins at 21,5km/h and not at 25km/h as other brands.

9. On trail it was not possible to replicate the derating to shutdown, but the tester said it was to cool this time of year and not steep enough to really test that.

10. In comparison to the new Bosch, the tester says the Bosch could be even a tick more smooth than the avinox, but that they are very close and he was impressed with the system, although just like my opinion he stated that time will tell about reliability and support by the representative dealers or online...

Data can be found in the Velomotion Magazin yt video.

As I am checking out of this thread, just a final thought...after seeing the real numbers for the avinox power figures, a 15% difference is unacceptable and is basically just a simple lie...it just confirmes my recent personal experience with the slepping dragons "Cha bu duo" mindset.
I am lucky I am human and I ride bikes in mountains not in the lab. And in the mountains is my own personal experience waaay different then described in rhis lab test. There are real tests (done by riders in mountains) of range and max or continuous power load with completely different results. I did on Avinox about 250kms now and cant confirm any of mentioned lab results/probs. It feels more powerful then any Bosch (even its same or weaker in mentioned lab tests), power never drops down or motor never shut down (even in continuous boost mode), battery capacity never drops down suddenly etc. So those who rides in real mountains instead of lab are these lab test results useless and confusing. Just my personal experience. Iam not paid by any motor brand, just have real experience with few of them, Avinox included.
 
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I am lucky I am human and I ride bikes in mountains not in the lab. And in the mountains is my own personal experience waaay different then described in rhis lab test. There are real tests (done by riders in mountains) of range and max or continuous power load with completely different results. I did on Avinox about 250kms now and cant confirm any of mentioned lab results/probs. It feels more powerful then any Bosch (even its same or weaker in mentioned lab tests), power never drops down or motor never shut down (even in continuous boost mode), battery capacity never drops down suddenly etc. So those who rides in real mountains instead of lab are there lab test results useless and confusing. Just my personal experience. Iam not paid by any motor brand, just have real experience with few of them, Avinox included.
It does seem as if some people are pursuing a certain narrative against DJI. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Real world is what matters.
 

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I don’t think everything need be a big conspiracy theory, it could be that some of the test bikes doing the rounds on the YouTube sites and magazines are pre-production models with old firmware/software etc, and will have been hammered.

Putting aside actual owners/riders who are still potentially in the honeymoon phase with their new Amflow/DJI combo, people who own them seem to really like them.

I really want one, but then I really want lots of stuff :D, but think I will wait until I can get a test ride and see how the warranty & support side pans out. That and I have a Levo to sell first…
 

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Well here it is, the lab test of the Avinox...

1. It's obviously stronger than the rest(on trail tests) with about 730W, only the TQ HPR 120 trumps it.

2. It didn't reach the stated 850W maximum, actually it never even got over 800W, not even in Boost mode

3. It didn't reach the stated 1000W maximum in Boost mode, just 780W, boost only adds cca 50W.

4. It shut down completely for several minutes after being under input load of 250W for the duration of 22min in turbo mode (my hunch is that this is to maintain the legal requirement for the average continuous power level of 250W at their power levels that's probably necessary. It was mentioned that it could also be that the battery was overheating as it's integrated and it always happened at a low SOC of 40%.

5. The battery percentage on screen was glitchy on this test bike, not true to real life, example on trail 17% dropping instantly in a few meters to 3%, or working under full power on the lab stand for several minutes with 0% displayed.

6. In the derating test it stayed relatively cool but the power jumped up/down alot, with some bigger spikes completely different to other motors that are mostly stable in power delivery(probably also has something to do with the 250W legal limit).

7. The consumption is extremely high, but expected for such power, in Turbo mode: 6,1 Wh/1km on flat terrain, 39,2Wh/1km on an 10% average incline.

8. Interesting the motor fadeout(power drop)begins at 21,5km/h and not at 25km/h as other brands.

9. On trail it was not possible to replicate the derating to shutdown, but the tester said it was to cool this time of year and not steep enough to really test that.

10. In comparison to the new Bosch, the tester says the Bosch could be even a tick more smooth than the avinox, but that they are very close and he was impressed with the system, although just like my opinion he stated that time will tell about reliability and support by the representative dealers or online...

Data can be found in the Velomotion Magazin yt video.

As I am checking out of this thread, just a final thought...after seeing the real numbers for the avinox power figures, a 15% difference is unacceptable and is basically just a simple lie...it just confirmes my recent personal experience with the slepping dragons "Cha bu duo" mindset.
Fascinating Lab test. I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I need an EMTB to ride in a Lab .......... :ROFLMAO:

Meanwhile ....... What is more important, is someone riding The DJI Vs the Bosch up a mountain, because that's where most people ride Mountain Bikes. And in that test, the DJI was 21% faster than the new Bosch motor. That is a significant improvement.

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I ride a Shimano EP600. My plan was to upgrade to the EP801, as all the electrics are compatible. The Amflow has me now in a holding pattern, as a more than 20% improvement in climbing speed, would really impress my riding buddies. :ROFLMAO:

But I need to see some more longer term riding and longevity reports ......... Not lab tests ....... :p
 

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Fascinating Lab test. I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I need an EMTB to ride in a Lab .......... :ROFLMAO:

Meanwhile ....... What is more important, is someone riding The DJI Vs the Bosch up a mountain, because that's where most people ride Mountain Bikes. And in that test, the DJI was 21% faster than the new Bosch motor. That is a significant improvement.

In fairness, the Surrey Hills are not exactly mountains! :) Impressive demonstration though, and the first time I’d heard of the Avinox.

I ride a Shimano EP600. My plan was to upgrade to the EP801, as all the electrics are compatible. The Amflow has me now in a holding pattern, as a more than 20% improvement in climbing speed, would really impress my riding buddies. :ROFLMAO:

But I need to see some more longer term riding and longevity reports ......... Not lab tests ....... :p

I ride alone, who am I going to impress! :(

I still love riding my old E8000 Jam 2, it‘s such a good bike for me, and the 378Wh battery keeps the weight down and covers all my rides fairly easily. It’s ’only‘ 75Nm as well, but still hauls my, ahem, substantial frame up the steep bits without my chest exploding.

Still, I keep going back to the Amflow website, such is my EMTB Acquisition Syndrome (EAS)…
 

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Interesting tests by velomotion.

It shows in numbers what the testers in the real world are seeing also, ie its noticeably more powerful than bosch et al. But also interesting that it doesnt seem to hit the numbers that DJI use in their marketing - That doesnt take away from the fact that its still pretty much the most powerful motor right now.

Will be interesting to see how the motor fairs when its out in the wild with more people and used by a wide range of people in a wide range of temperatures over the longer term. that thermal (was it thermal, or just a shutdown to maintain 250w nominal?) shutdown was interesting, hopefully in the real world you'd never be able to recreate the conditions that lead to it.

If I'd just bought a new bosch bike I wouldnt be feeling that I had made the wrong decision right now - personally I'd favour a known e bike player with a bit less power over a new unknown (in the ebike world) player - obviously over time DJI can become the known player. I havent bought a new bosch bike though - Have a 2020 orbea wild fs, and a trek fuel exe - and currently no plan/desire to change either, so will keep watching from the sidelines
 
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Testing differences vs claimed are interesting but could be explained. We still don't know where DJI is getting their power figures. It seems in the EMTB motor world the big players go off power at the crank, notably not bafang though which is at the battery. From my prospective of high power "ebikes" or emotos though, and other electronic gadgets though I'm used to claimed power being from watts pulled from a battery not at the motor. Could be DJI is just going with that figure instead. Could explain the figures not matching.

But I also wanted to point out though that I've been a little skeptical of velomotions test figures again. The reason why I bring it up though is when looking at the Bosch power figures compared to ebike-mtb the bosch was roughly 200w less. Which also would line right up with the DJI being 200w less than claimed, though not tested. I thought that was interesting thing to line up. Even more interesting though is the panasonic ultimate power figures tested are closer between both sites, so not sure where / why the bosch has such a huge difference.

But I also did see some people in the comments (using google translate) making comments to suggest they were using the smaller 600wh battery, and that it could have given worse results. As I've seen some data to suggest that in the right conditions the battery might overheat for the 600wh model, if my guess its the LG M58 cells inside is true. But I also would say the idea that it being a test bike with maybe older software could play into this. Maybe even the Region set, if the idea its trying to keep to 250w average we wouldn't see that (or shouldn't) in the USA. Hopefully it doesn't take velomotion that long to publish online so I can translate it, or post an English version like they did for the Bosch Gen 5. I also hope Ebike-mtb will also test the power figure now that it has been questioned, that way we have another source to look at and compare
 

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Fascinating Lab test. I'll be sure to keep it in mind when I need an EMTB to ride in a Lab .......... :ROFLMAO:

Meanwhile ....... What is more important, is someone riding The DJI Vs the Bosch up a mountain, because that's where most people ride Mountain Bikes. And in that test, the DJI was 21% faster than the new Bosch motor. That is a significant improvement.

Butt-dyno is notoriously ineffective for cars, I would assume it’s the same for bikes. Lab testing is an interesting demonstration that DJI’s power figures are made up, but maybe Bosch etc are also optimistic?
 

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It seems in the EMTB motor world the big players go off power at the crank, notably not bafang though which is at the battery. From my prospective of high power "ebikes" or emotos though, and other electronic gadgets though I'm used to claimed power being from watts pulled from a battery not at the motor. Could be DJI is just going with that figure instead. Could explain the figures not matching.

Would make sense. No one is ever really that clear if they're talking about battery draw or power at the cranks, spesh included.

If the DJI is producing 780w ish at the cranks, then that's going to be about 1000w draw from the battery.

An older Brose 1.3 running Spesh firmware above 5.4.2 will draw 20 amps, fully charged, that's 840w from the battery (newer ones draw less).

Wh/km is also very terrain dependant and not always a very good guide to how far you'll actually go from just a snapshot. Generally, if a bike is pulling more watts, then you're probably going faster than a bike pulling less watts. So in any given second you've travelled further - meaning that drawing more power isn't always directly proportional to a drop in range.

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Butt-dyno is notoriously ineffective for cars, I would assume it’s the same for bikes. Lab testing is an interesting demonstration that DJI’s power figures are made up, but maybe Bosch etc are also optimistic?
I suspect the difference in power figures between what DJI state in their marketing and what velomotion found in their tests is just due to different ways of measuring, as per bengy22 comments. The absolute power numbers are sort of irrelevant though in the end, as its just the relative differences between each brand of motor that matters. Whats clear from people using the bike and the velomotion test is that the DJI motor is the most powerful.

Its probably like testing an internal combustion engine on a rolling road, you're never get the same figures comparing one rolling road to another.
 

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