Dji avinox- Amflow


Astro66

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Here's just some of the Gold and Black bling I've ordered for my Amflow PL Carbon Pro. I was surprised to find that SRAM do Gold 203mm rotors. I'm even going to change the spoke nipples to gold ..... :LOL:

And I've gone to great lengths for the attention to detail. For example :

The bottle cage is black. So the bottle cage bolts are gold, and the bottle is gold.

Renthal gold Fatbars. <Yes Rob. I copied you 😉> So the bell and grips are black, but gold clamps and ends on the grips. And with the gold bars, the stem remains black, but the stem cap and stem bolts becomes gold.

Black chain ring, so the chainring bolts become gold.

Black rims, so the valve retaining nut and valve caps are gold. And I'm changing the rim decals to gold. Gold spoke nipples as I said.

Black cranks, so Gold SPD pedals.

It's all about contrasting the Gold against the Black.

I've also ordered more Gold Amflow Decals. Though I'm unsure whether I'll use them.

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I'll post pics when it's delivered and modified.
 

HandsomeDanNZ

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Here's just some of the Gold and Black bling I've ordered for my Amflow PL Carbon Pro. I was surprised to find that SRAM do Gold 203mm rotors. I'm even going to change the spoke nipples to gold ..... :LOL:

And I've gone to great lengths for the attention to detail. For example :

The bottle cage is black. So the bottle cage bolts are gold, and the bottle is gold.

Renthal gold Fatbars. <Yes Rob. I copied you 😉> So the bell and grips are black, but gold clamps and ends on the grips. And with the gold bars, the stem remains black, but the stem cap and stem bolts becomes gold.

Black chain ring, so the chainring bolts become gold.

Black rims, so the valve retaining nut and valve caps are gold. And I'm changing the rim decals to gold. Gold spoke nipples as I said.

Black cranks, so Gold SPD pedals.

It's all about contrasting the Gold against the Black.

I've also ordered more Gold Amflow Decals. Though I'm unsure whether I'll use them.

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I'll post pics when it's delivered and modified.
May I kindly ask why there's a dentistry set and some eyelash curlers in amongst your order?
 

Bikedriver19

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Here's just some of the Gold and Black bling I've ordered for my Amflow PL Carbon Pro. I was surprised to find that SRAM do Gold 203mm rotors. I'm even going to change the spoke nipples to gold ..... :LOL:

And I've gone to great lengths for the attention to detail. For example :

The bottle cage is black. So the bottle cage bolts are gold, and the bottle is gold.

Renthal gold Fatbars. <Yes Rob. I copied you 😉> So the bell and grips are black, but gold clamps and ends on the grips. And with the gold bars, the stem remains black, but the stem cap and stem bolts becomes gold.

Black chain ring, so the chainring bolts become gold.

Black rims, so the valve retaining nut and valve caps are gold. And I'm changing the rim decals to gold. Gold spoke nipples as I said.

Black cranks, so Gold SPD pedals.

It's all about contrasting the Gold against the Black.

I've also ordered more Gold Amflow Decals. Though I'm unsure whether I'll use them.

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I'll post pics when it's delivered and modified.
I found, replacing the bar and stem, made a big difference in the feel.... I got the same fat bar on my bike, feels great, super solid.
 

Astro66

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Jumped on the CAD and made some subtle changes to the Carbon Pro, to individualise it a bit. <Not my bike below. Just a web image I borrowed> I've ordered all the graphics. I'm torn about having nothing on the seat stays. I tried gold text, gold flames and gold lightning. Just didn't look right. Any ideas ?

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DanMcDan

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Anyone look into headset cup sizes to see if it would be possible to install an angle headset to slacken it a little?
Not possible, however if you up the fork travel to 170 that will slacken it a touch, if you up the fork travel to 170 and go to a zeb or a 38 then the A2C will increase also and that would slacken it even more.
 

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If anybody would like to change original cranks for e13 Helix Race Espec, then here is picture with ofsets comparison.
On the left original crank, on the right Helix with 21,5mm offset. Fits well!
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Astro66

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I normally get shorter cranks, but Amflow are quite progressive and offer shorter cranks on the smaller sizes. The medium and larger come with 155mm. Which should be fine.

My medium E160 Merida came with 165mm cranks, and it has a lower bottom bracket height with the mullet setup. So I put 150mm cranks on that.

I've ordered the Medium PL Carbon Pro, so 155mm should be fine, though it's good to know there are options.
 

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If you are a casual rider or just starting out, the Amflow PL Carbon should meet your needs without the extra cost of the Pro version's high-end components. However, if you are looking for a more professional riding experience with lighter weight and higher-end components, the Amflow PL Carbon Pro might be worth the investment. You can see the comparison information about suspension and other parameters on this page Amflow PL - Specs - Amflow (United Kingdom) View attachment 154318
In real terms can you notice difference in the suspension when riding between the 2 bikes. Also with regards casette -will it last lot longer on expensive bike than cheaper version. As on emtbs - the torque is high. The cassette on pro version is about £760. At moment I am riding mondtaker craft r Bosch motor- changing chain every 3 mths / casette every 6 mths. I have done 4800 miles in year and half. Worried expensive cassette and chain on amflow won’t last long.
 

Astro66

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The cassette on pro version is about £760. At moment I am riding mondtaker craft r Bosch motor- changing chain every 3 mths / casette every 6 mths. I have done 4800 miles in year and half. Worried expensive cassette and chain on amflow won’t last long.
I have found the GX version of the SRAM Transmission Cassette for AUD$335 which is about £180. And the GX T-Type chain for AUD$70, which is less than £40.

People can use the compatibility charts to down spec their transmission, if cost is a factor. Sure it will add a little weight. But unless you are an expert. You really aren't likely to notice.

From reports, the shifting performance of the Eagle Transmission is second to none. And fast, full power, perfect shifting is one of the big criteria's for me. I would gladly pay £220 yearly for the performance of the Eagle Transmission.

That said I'm more likely to only need to change chains annually and cassettes every 3 years. That has been my usage on the Shimano Hyperglide system. I expect the Eagle Transmission to actually last longer, as it's designed for the high Torque of an EMTB.

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David1960

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I have found the GX version of the SRAM Transmission Cassette for AUD$335 which is about £180. And the GX T-Type chain for AUD$70, which is less than £40.

People can use the compatibility charts to down spec their transmission, if cost is a factor. Sure it will add a little weight. But unless you are an expert. You really aren't likely to notice.

From reports, the shifting performance of the Eagle Transmission is second to none. And fast, full power, perfect shifting is one of the big criteria's for me. I would gladly pay £220 yearly for the performance of the Eagle Transmission.

That said I'm more likely to only need to change chains annually and cassettes every 3 years. That has been my usage on the Shimano Hyperglide system. I expect the Eagle Transmission to actually last longer, as it's designed for the high Torque of an EMTB.

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Can I ask another question
I am thinking of getting this bike but worried I can’t get range of my Bosch mondraker 750. My mondraker can do 35 to 40 miles in turbo. Can amflow do same range. Most of mileages I have seen on Facebook show people doing not much mileage above 20 miles. I have my Bosch on max power 85 nm and get huge Mileages.

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Astro66

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Can I ask another question
There are quite a few videos on the Range. I think only the Levo SL and Rocky Mountain have a little better efficiency. But they had 750Wh or lower batteries and the Amflow 800Wh, so range should be just a little better.

The Bosch CX Gen4 rated well but below the DJI Avinox. The Shimano EP801 was towards the bottom, but still decent.

I just sold my Merida/Shimano, and have just ordered the PL Carbon Pro. So I have no real world experience, but I don't believe anyone would be riding a EMTB, that switching to the Amflow, would be disappointing in the range stakes.
 

Astro66

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Is there any chance that the EU (in practice still the rule makers here in the UK) might start thinking a bike with so much power no longer complies with the pedelec regulations?

There is a chance. But these bikes are still limited to 25kph. So the fact they accelerate so quickly, just means they go uphill as fast other bikes go downhill or on the flat. Not sure what the extra safety concerns are in that.

Infact the reason I enjoy technical uphill compared to technical downhill is because uphill, being limited to 25kph, the chance of serious injury is far less than bombing downhill at 30+kph. Going uphill gravity is going to help you slow down, if you lose your line.

And other motors in EMTBs have been produced with close to this peak power. But those motors were 5kg behemoths, and really limited the EMTBs riding performance.

The game changer with the Avinox, is the performance with a 2.52kg motor, and 3.7kg 800Wh battery. This is revolutionary.
 

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There is a chance. But these bikes are still limited to 25kph. So the fact they accelerate so quickly, just means they go uphill as fast other bikes go downhill or on the flat. Not sure what the extra safety concerns are in that.

Infact the reason I enjoy technical uphill compared to technical downhill is because uphill, being limited to 25kph, the chance of serious injury is far less than bombing downhill at 30+kph. Going uphill gravity is going to help you slow down, if you lose your line.

And other motors in EMTBs have been produced with close to this peak power. But those motors were 5kg behemoths, and really limited the EMTBs riding performance.

The game changer with the Avinox, is the performance with a 2.52kg motor, and 3.7kg 800Wh battery. This is revolutionary.
You understand all that, as do I, but the bureaucrats? I'm not so confident.
There is currently a move to up the power rating of ebikes, not the speed limit, here in the UK. I think mainly for cargo bikes but the powers that be don't seem to be interested.
Hopefully, they won't find an interest in the DJI motor either, especially as I am waiting to test one at my LBS, when they get their delivery.
 

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The game changer with the Avinox, is the performance with a 2.52kg motor, and 3.7kg 800Wh battery. This is revolutionary.

Bosch CX Gen5 motor weighs ~2.8kg, Bosch PowerTube 800Wh weighs ~3.9kg

Thus Avinox motor weighs ~280 gm less than the Bosch motor, and the Avinox battery weighs ~200 gm less than the Bosch battery.

That's a total weight saving of ~480 gm = 0.480/(2.8+3.9) = about 7.2% which is absolutely NOT "revolutionary"! :LOL:

Bet it all changes within 6 months when something else will become the flavour of the month. Then repeat ad finitum.
 

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Bosch CX Gen5 motor weighs ~2.8kg, Bosch PowerTube 800Wh weighs ~3.9kg

Thus Avinox motor weighs ~280 gm less than the Bosch motor, and the Avinox battery weighs ~200 gm less than the Bosch battery.

That's a total weight saving of ~480 gm = 0.480/(2.8+3.9) = about 7.2% which is absolutely NOT "revolutionary"! :LOL:

Bet it all changes within 6 months when something else will become the flavour of the month. Then repeat ad finitum.

It depends how you look at it.

In fairness, each time we have a 5% weight improvement in motors it's normally classed as a breakthrough.

Ok, the DJI motor is "only" 280g less than the bosch - 10% less .. It's a bike, we get excited each time we save 100g :cool:

Even though it's lighter, while the bosch has 85nm peak, the DJI has a 120nm peak. Therefore, almost 50% more.

In comparison, the TQ HPR120S (120nm peak) is 3.9 kg.

The DJI also seems to deliver similar autonomy to Bosch, which is also quite impressive, especially considering the possibility for the extra power. Again comparing to the HPR120S - that sucked the juice.
 

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It depends how you look at it.

In fairness, each time we have a 5% weight improvement in motors it's normally classed as a breakthrough.

Ok, the DJI motor is "only" 280g less than the bosch - 10% less .. It's a bike, we get excited each time we save 100g :cool:

Even though it's lighter, while the bosch has 85nm peak, the DJI has a 120nm peak. Therefore, almost 50% more.

In comparison, the TQ HPR120S (120nm peak) is 3.9 kg.

The DJI also seems to deliver similar autonomy to Bosch, which is also quite impressive, especially considering the possibility for the extra power. Again comparing to the HPR120S - that sucked the juice.
However you look at it, it is not "revolutionary".

Correct if I am wrong but the fact that a Bosch Powertube battery is removable whereas the AMflow is not is simply glossed over.
 
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Astro66

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Thus Avinox motor weighs ~280 gm less than the Bosch motor, and the Avinox battery weighs ~200 gm less than the Bosch battery.
Did you not watch the video and see the tested peak power figures ? The Bosch Gen 5 is 547 Watts. The Avinox is 949 Watts. And you can keep using 791 Watts for nearly an hour straight, before the system overheats. An almost impossible situation to create in real life.

So ........ that is nearly 75% more power, from a motor that is 280 grams lighter !!! That is a quantum leap in revolutionary. :ROFLMAO:
Vive La Revolucion ....... :ROFLMAO:

Oh BTW. Even the German tester was repeatedly calling it "Mind Blowing". And it's pretty hard to get those Germans that excited ..... ;)
 

Astro66

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You understand all that, as do I, but the bureaucrats? I'm not so confident.
They didn't change the laws when the TQ HPR120 S motor was released, and it produces 843 Watts peak power.

Anyway. I agree it's a possibility. It was one of the motivators for me to order the PL Carbon Pro last week, and why I sold my 12 month old Shimano powered Merida EMTB this week.
 
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ckkone

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Did you not watch the video and see the tested peak power figures ? The Bosch Gen 5 is 547 Watts. The Avinox is 949 Watts. And you can keep using 791 Watts for nearly an hour straight, before the system overheats. An almost impossible situation to create in real life.

So ........ that is nearly 75% more power, from a motor that is 280 grams lighter !!! That is a quantum leap in revolutionary. :ROFLMAO:
Vive La Revolucion ....... :ROFLMAO:

Oh BTW. Even the German tester was repeatedly calling it "Mind Blowing". And it's pretty hard to get those Germans that excited ..... ;)

Bosch has a new update coming with the new screen it will be on par power wise with the DJI. The new Specialed Levo also has similar power. Amflow was just first good for them because their frame is umm ewwww.
 

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