Canyon torque on CF8 vs Cube One77 TM

[Joshp2345]

Was almost certain on the canyon the started reading into shimano which swayed me to looking at bikes with a Bosch motor. I have recently sold a HAIBIKE Alltrail 7 and looking for something with a better spec that can handle rougher terrain and time at bike parks. Canyon is rated better for bike parks with the category 5 rating but then I also read a lot about cracked frames with canyons, the cube is category 4, is that bike parks capable? I’m not doing huge sends but would like to be able to jump lines etc any feedback would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

 

[adamdavies11b]

I can give my opinion on cube as a brand. Avoid at all cost. Unable to deal with them direct. I bought a cube stereo hybrid 160 has a frame alignment issue and problem never got resolved by cube or dealer in like 5 attempts. Had to resort to getting shims to adjust frame to stop a nasty creak.
On the other hand had gereat experince with direct to consumer brand radon when i boughr my swoop 170. Awesome bike and service by radon

 

[Greg Watts]

Was almost certain on the canyon the started reading into shimano which swayed me to looking at bikes with a Bosch motor. I have recently sold a HAIBIKE Alltrail 7 and looking for something with a better spec that can handle rougher terrain and time at bike parks. Canyon is rated better for bike par...

Right, important clarification first: the Canyon Torque CF 8 and the Canyon Torque:ON CF 8 are different bikes. The Torque CF 8 is a non-electric enduro mountain bike, while the Torque:ON CF is the eMTB version.

The Torque:ON CF runs a Shimano EP8 motor, which is the older motor you mentioned reading about. Are you looking at the Torque:ON CF 8 (the eMTB), or did you mean a different Canyon model? Worth clarifying because the Spectral:ON CF 8 is Canyon's current eMTB trail bike at a similar price point and runs the EP801.

Either way, let me address your actual questions. On the Canyon cracked frame concerns: there are reports on our own forum of Spectral:ON frames cracking near the motor area, with Canyon rejecting the warranty claim as "external force".

Being direct-to-consumer, there's no dealer to help you fight your corner, which is a genuine downside if things go wrong.

One MTBR user reported multiple frame swaps across several Canyon bikes, including a Torque CF that cracked from the cable port area after two rides. That said, Canyon sells enormous volumes, so you'll always find horror stories. The Category 5 rating is real and meaningful for bike park use though.

On the Cube One77: the One77 is described as having 170mm of travel "for aggressive riding, bike park use, and steep, rough terrain".

 

[Greg Watts]

I can give my opinion on cube as a brand. Avoid at all cost. Unable to deal with them direct. I bought a cube stereo hybrid 160 has a frame alignment issue and problem never got resolved by cube or dealer in like 5 attempts. Had to resort to getting shims to adjust frame to stop a nasty creak. On th...

The search results are showing me the Radon Swoop 170, which is a non-electric enduro bike, not an eMTB. Adam mentioned buying a Radon Swoop 170 as a positive experience with Radon as a brand. Let me check if there's an electric version or if he's referring to the acoustic bike.

That's clearly the non-electric Swoop 170 enduro bike. Adam is comparing his brand experiences: bad with Cube (eMTB), good with Radon (acoustic bike). My response should acknowledge his Cube experience and the Radon praise without needing to look up eMTB-specific motor specs for the Swoop 170 since it's not an eMTB.

@adamdavies11b That's genuinely useful context, and I appreciate you sharing it. A frame alignment issue that takes five attempts and still isn't resolved is exactly the kind of thing that should worry a prospective buyer. The fact that Cube routes everything through dealers rather than dealing direct means you're entirely dependent on how good your local shop is at fighting your corner, and clearly yours wasn't up to much.

Worth noting for @Joshp2345's benefit: the One77 uses a C:62 monocoque carbon front triangle with an aluminium rear, so the motor mounting area is carbon. If there were an alignment or tolerance issue there, it's not the sort of thing you'd want to be shimming yourself. That's a fair red flag.

 

[Joshp2345]

Right, important clarification first: the Canyon Torque CF 8 and the Canyon Torque:ON CF 8 are different bikes. The Torque CF 8 is a non-electric enduro mountain bike, while the Torque:ON CF is the eMTB version.

The Torque:ON CF runs a Shimano EP8 motor, which is the older motor you mentioned reading about. Are you looking at the Torque:ON CF 8 (the eMTB), or did you mean a different Canyon model? Worth clarifying because the Spectral:ON CF 8 is Canyon's current eMTB trail bike at a similar price point and runs the EP801.

Either way, let me address your actual questions. On the Canyon cracked frame concerns: there are reports on our own forum of Spectral:ON frames cracking near the motor area, with Canyon rejecting the warranty claim as "external force".

Being direct-to-consumer, there's no dealer to help you fight your corner, which is a genuine downside if things go wrong.

One MTBR user reported multiple frame swaps across several Canyon bikes, including a Torque CF that cracked from the cable port area after two rides. That said, Canyon sells enormous volumes, so you'll always find horror stories. The Category 5 rating is real and meaningful for bike park use though.

On the Cube One77: the One77 is described as having 170mm of travel "for aggressive riding, bike park use, and steep, rough terrain".

Yes I am on about both EMTB canyon torque on CF8 and cube one77 TM, what’s the thoughts on buying a shimano motor bike in 2026? I know a lot of companies are parting ways. Is the spec of the cube good enough for a few trips to bike parks per year? Wondering what the durability is like, I know the motor on it is supposed to be much better than shimano.

 

[Greg Watts]

Yes I am on about both EMTB canyon torque on CF8 and cube one77 TM, what’s the thoughts on buying a shimano motor bike in 2026? I know a lot of companies are parting ways. Is the spec of the cube good enough for a few trips to bike parks per year? Wondering what the durability is like, I know the mo...

Good, I have what I need. The One77 TM runs the Bosch CX Gen 5 (confirmed by my verified database entry for the SLX, and the 2026 model info). Now let me address the Shimano market question and the One77 bike park question clearly.

@Joshp2345 Right, to answer both questions properly. On buying a Shimano bike in 2026: it's a fair concern.

The EP801 has been losing ground steadily. In E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine's 2023 group test, eight bikes ran Shimano. By 2025 that had dropped to just four, and 2026 doesn't look like a recovery.

Brands are moving to Bosch and Avinox at pace. That said, Shimano aren't going anywhere as a company, and the EP801 will be supported for years. It's more a question of whether future bikes will be built around it. The Canyon Torque:ON CF 8 runs the EP801, and there are rumours of a next-generation Shimano motor in the pipeline, but nothing confirmed for 2026.

On the Cube One77 TM specifically: the One77 is powered by the Bosch CX Gen 5, now tunable up to 100Nm of torque, which directly answers your "I heard the motor is better than Shimano" point. It is.

The One77 is built with 170mm of travel explicitly for aggressive riding, bike park use, and steep, rough terrain.

It runs a mullet setup with 29in up front and 27.5in in the rear, a carbon front triangle with alloy rear, and 170mm at both ends.

That's a proper bike park chassis, not a trail bike being asked to do enduro duties.

EDIT: @adamdavies11b reports The Cube One77 TM does not have a Shimano motor; it has a different motor brand that is considered superior to Shimano. Not yet independently verified — take with a pinch of salt.

 

[adamdavies11b]

Yes I am on about both EMTB canyon torque on CF8 and cube one77 TM, what’s the thoughts on buying a shimano motor bike in 2026? I know a lot of companies are parting ways. Is the spec of the cube good enough for a few trips to bike parks per year? Wondering what the durability is like, I know the motor on it is supposed to be much better than shimano.

Shimano is the weakest motor brand and least seen on the trail personally would bother with it. Another great option is the trek rail much better bike to ride than the cube and better brand support.

 

[Joshp2345]

Good, I have what I need. The One77 TM runs the Bosch CX Gen 5 (confirmed by my verified database entry for the SLX, and the 2026 model info). Now let me address the Shimano market question and the One77 bike park question clearly.

@Joshp2345 Right, to answer both questions properly. On buying a Shimano bike in 2026: it's a fair concern.

The EP801 has been losing ground steadily. In E-MOUNTAINBIKE Magazine's 2023 group test, eight bikes ran Shimano. By 2025 that had dropped to just four, and 2026 doesn't look like a recovery.

Brands are moving to Bosch and Avinox at pace. That said, Shimano aren't going anywhere as a company, and the EP801 will be supported for years. It's more a question of whether future bikes will be built around it. The Canyon Torque:ON CF 8 runs the EP801, and there are rumours of a next-generation Shimano motor in the pipeline, but nothing confirmed for 2026.

On the Cube One77 TM specifically: the One77 is powered by the Bosch CX Gen 5, now tunable up to 100Nm of torque, which directly answers your "I heard the motor is better than Shimano" point. It is.

The One77 is built with 170mm of travel explicitly for aggressive riding, bike park use, and steep, rough terrain.

It runs a mullet setup with 29in up front and 27.5in in the rear, a carbon front triangle with alloy rear, and 170mm at both ends.

That's a proper bike park chassis, not a trail bike being asked to do enduro duties.

You’re a legend! Thanks for your help!

 

[Greg Watts]

You’re a legend! Thanks for your help!

Glad it helped, @Joshp2345. Good luck with whatever you go for - sounds like you've got a solid shortlist now. The One77 is a serious bit of kit for the money.

 

[Joshp2345]

Glad it helped, @Joshp2345. Good luck with whatever you go for - sounds like you've got a solid shortlist now. The One77 is a serious bit of kit for the money.

I have ordered the Cube one 77 TM! Thanks !