Levo SL 2023/24 Levo SL?????

[p3eps]

So... hang on... Frame/motor/battery is £7k. Bike is £14k. That's £7k worth of bits?!?!

So yeah - it doesn’t make any sense.
Just looking at the ‘22 Levo S-Works just now.
Rough prices - AXS derailleur / remote £800, chain £70, cassette £350.
Decent carbon wheel set £2000
Magura MT7’s £350
2 x rotors £60
AXS dropper £600
Saddle £100
Carbon bars £150
Stem £100
Rockshox Zeb Ultimate £900
Tyres £100
Valves £20

I can’t see where the £7k is coming from? Is that the premium for someone handing it to you ready built rather than a couple of hours assembly? Frame already comes with cranks, chain ring, seatpost collar and rear shock - and I assume headset bearings? Am I missing anything?!

 

[Christian]

I can’t see where the £7k is coming from? Am I missing anything?!

Just how the world works these days

PS you forgot to mention the Sworks sticker. Those are worth at least 2k on their own

 

[Doomanic]

Raceco had a deal late last year for custom built S-Works KSLs; £9K with Zeb Ultimates, DT Swiss Wheelset, RE, etc.

If you absolutely, positively have to have an S-Works a frameset is the way to go.

 

[p3eps]

Just how the world works these days

PS you forgot to mention the Sworks sticker. Those are worth at least 2k on their own

That’s what I’ve missed! Oh well - the costs are pretty close now!

 

[Streddaz]

Quieter motor would be nice, but more torque is just "specification wars" IMO. There's a good reason that the SL gets such a good range with such a small battery and a lot of it is down to restricting the torque. I'd rather keep the weight down and the range up than trade for a headline torque that I will very rarely use because I'll want the range.

I agree, if you have a more powerful motor, you will use more battery. To keep the same range, you will need a bigger battery and add more weight. May as well go full fat.
35Nm is enough but I bet it will be more, because marketing will want that and there needs to be some performance improvement to boost sales as the other brands have more power. Of course, there is less range, but they aren't going to make that obvious now are they?

 

[Jase]

Had my Kenevo SL in the dealers today and he’s thinking February for the Levo SL???

 

[Norcalsl]

I got some info. The motor will be the same with total differenet inside. It would have around 50Nm. Will be lot quiter too. The battery stay the same and the GEO comes updated but not significitaly. thats the info i got from swiss. But who know for sure

I hope not. Increasing to 50nm would reduce range significantly. Also, I don't need more power.

 

[Ace Freely]

I hope not. Increasing to 50nm would reduce range significantly. Also, I don't need more power.

Turn it down via the app. Problem solved.

Ace

 

[Ou812]

£14k?

F*ck me, that's taking the p*ss!

There’s 2 different S-Works versions, I think the one for £14k is the one with the flight attendant suspension. I imagine the Fox equipped one would be cheaper but not by much.

 

[p3eps]

Turn it down via the app. Problem solved.

Ace

I’m quite happy with my 35Nm at 30% most of the time… but there are a couple of climbs on my regular routes that banging it to 100% still isn’t enough.
Being able to stick it on 100% of 50Nm for 30 seconds might just be enough… and the extra couple of minutes power shouldn’t be too detrimental to my battery.

Most SL riders I’ve spoken to run their bikes at 30-60% anyway, so range isn’t generally an issue. Having a bit more power on tap for those rare occasions would be welcome in my opinion.

 

[smc_stefan]

Visited my LBS yesterday and they told me there will be a new Levo SL in 2023 but we shouldn't expect it to arrive before May, at least in Europe.

 

[cdavies102]

Anyone know of a date for new Kenevo (full fat version) but in the shape of the KSL? I have no interest in the Levo for the type of riding I do, and I prefer bigger battery where the Kenevo SL won't suffice.

 

[Lightme]

Anyone know of a date for new Kenevo (full fat version) but in the shape of the KSL? I have no interest in the Levo for the type of riding I do, and I prefer bigger battery where the Kenevo SL won't suffice.

The new Levo with the Cascade Long Shock kit and a 180mm fork feels very close to a Kenevo.

 

[ebikerider]

Anyone know of a date for new Kenevo (full fat version) but in the shape of the KSL? I have no interest in the Levo for the type of riding I do, and I prefer bigger battery where the Kenevo SL won't suffice.

Have you ridden the new Levo but with a 29er rear wheel? I came off a Kenevo SL to the new Levo and at first I really didn't like the Levo (mullet set up didn't give confidence and rear grip was definitely reduced) but after changing the fork to 170, putting the rear end into low and fitting a 29er wheel it is 100% as capable as the KSL. I would even go as far to say that the rear end of the Levo is better in some aspects than the KSL rear end too (this shocked TF outta me). I've got cascade long link coming plus a tuned coil in the mail so I'm expecting even more from it shortly.

 

[Norcalsl]

Anyone know of a date for new Kenevo (full fat version) but in the shape of the KSL? I have no interest in the Levo for the type of riding I do, and I prefer bigger battery where the Kenevo SL won't suffice.

Wrong thread.

 

[Flo7]

Maybe the new SL:

MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

Wanted to start a thread for new bike tech and rumors. Recently, the racing rumors page has turned into an Ebike debate so lets get this thread started off right! First up, Santa Cruz Heckler

www.vitalmtb.com

 

[Norcalsl]

Maybe the new SL:

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MTB Tech Rumors and Innovation

Wanted to start a thread for new bike tech and rumors. Recently, the racing rumors page has turned into an Ebike debate so lets get this thread started off right! First up, Santa Cruz Heckler

www.vitalmtb.com

Who knows?

 

[galaga187]

Raceco had a deal late last year for custom built S-Works KSLs; £9K with Zeb Ultimates, DT Swiss Wheelset, RE, etc.

If you absolutely, positively have to have an S-Works a frameset is the way to go.

S-work owners do get invited on special trips and events I believe.

 

[gbarfoot]

Who knows?

Looks like it, no more right side frame spar and the link is different....

 

[gbcoke]

It is the new SL,45nm and slightly bigger battery.
Looks like the big S are going from being the leader in the ebike market to just another brand ...

 

[p3eps]

It is the new SL,45nm and slightly bigger battery.
Looks like the big S are going from being the leader in the ebike market to just another brand ...

Sounds ideal. Wonder if under 17kg’s can still be had on this one though?!

 

[Doomanic]

Looks like the big S are going from being the leader in the ebike market to just another brand ...

What were you hoping for?

 

[Suns_PSD]

Someone posted on another site that he bumped into a Spesh test rider, and they told him that the '23 was significantly delayed until Spring 2023 due to running changes.

 

[oettam20]

Someone posted on another site that he bumped into a Spesh test rider, and they told him that the '23 was significantly delayed until Spring 2023 due to running changes.

I had a similar info...

 

[gabryp]

Someone posted on another site that he bumped into a Spesh test rider, and they told him that the '23 was significantly delayed until Spring 2023 due to running changes.

Which would make sense... initially it was expected by Spring 2022, then delayed September, then end of the year and now they are talking about May 2023
I guess they realised that 45Nm with same battery won't be enough to compete with other manufacturers

 

[p3eps]

Which would make sense... initially it was expected by Spring 2022, then delayed September, then end of the year and now they are talking about May 2023
I guess they realised that 45Nm with same battery won't be enough to compete with other manufacturers

Depends on what they're competing with...
A top spec Orbea Rise is listed as 19kg, and a top spec Trek Fuel EXE is 18.9kg.
An S-works Levo SL is listed as 17.4kg. I had mine under that with more burley components that Specialized put on it - in an XL with pedals on.

The current Levo SL is down on power... but is also down on weight.

To me (and a lot of other SL riders) the SL isn't about how much power it can produce - as we run it on Eco or low settings anyway. It's about a bit of assistance when needed to help with the mundane climbs.

 

[Ou812]

Depends on what they're competing with...
A top spec Orbea Rise is listed as 19kg, and a top spec Trek Fuel EXE is 18.9kg.
An S-works Levo SL is listed as 17.4kg. I had mine under that with more burley components that Specialized put on it - in an XL with pedals on.

The current Levo SL is down on power... but is also down on weight.

To me (and a lot of other SL riders) the SL isn't about how much power it can produce - as we run it on Eco or low settings anyway. It's about a bit of assistance when needed to help with the mundane climbs.

Spesh doesn’t really care about current SL owners, they know that if you already own one then more than likely you’ll upgrade if you can. It’s the new buyers they have to win over and those buyers will be comparing it against its competition, if it doesn’t stack up on paper it will get overlooked.

 

[smc_stefan]

Someone posted on another site that he bumped into a Spesh test rider, and they told him that the '23 was significantly delayed until Spring 2023 due to running changes.

My LBS told me the same, they don't expect it to hit the market before May 2023

 

[JayF]

Just had a phone call with my dealer. The Spesh sales rep was there in the morning, unfortunatelly no news what so ever. The sales rep told them, maybe there will be some news in February, but that´s not for sure. And my dealer added to that, if they could order in February, at the moment you can expect an other 6 month for the first bikes to arrive. So it might be a long time before we see the first of the new SL´s. Not what I was hoping for.

 

[Streddaz]

Spesh doesn’t really care about current SL owners, they know that if you already own one then more than likely you’ll upgrade if you can. It’s the new buyers they have to win over and those buyers will be comparing it against its competition, if it doesn’t stack up on paper it will get overlooked.

I agree, as it's the way the market is driven, is that there has to be a gain in performance over the last model and the opposition, and in this case, that means more power. Unfortunately, there are only very small gains in motor efficiency and limited weigh savings in the frame to be had, so upping the power means reducing the range unless you increase the battery size and that increases the weight.
I'm in the same boat as p3eps that I prefer range over power, and I would expect that the new kids in town like the Trek Fuel EXe and new Fazua Ride 60 powered bikes won't have the range that the SL has. I'm sure the market pressure will win out and they will need to have more power and that will require a bigger battery. I'm interested to see if they have a quieter motor as this would be difficult to achieve with the current 1.1 motor.
I'd be happy with 35Nm and the silence of the TQ motor to be honest.