Rail (625Wh) 2021 Zeb upgraded with new Charger3 damper, Debonair+ air spring, and Buttercups

[Ushtang]

Anyone update their 2021 Zeb with the new Charger3 damper and Debonair+ air spring yet? What are your impressions so far? Just did this and going to hit the trails to dial it in today. Hoping it'll be as easy as setting the same pressure and knob clicks I had before I did the conversion.

 

[BuzzinHornets]

I just did the damper in my 22 Select +, waiting for the air spring to come back in stock. So far I’ve got about 50 miles on it and it’s noticeably smoother and quieter. I have no complaints.

 

[Dave_B]

It may not be as straight forward. this is a good vid on the new Lyrik.

 

[SandroRiz]

Anyone update their 2021 Zeb with the new Charger3 damper and Debonair+ air spring yet? What are your impressions so far? Just did this and going to hit the trails to dial it in today. Hoping it'll be as easy as setting the same pressure and knob clicks I had before I did the conversion.

Any impression after ten days? I'm waiting the parts too from italian distributor (even SRAM usa told me October or later...)

 

[MBj1703]

As far as I know, a 2021 model can not be upgraded?
I would love to update my 2021 Lyrik Ultimate.

 

[SandroRiz]

As far as I know, a 2021 model can not be upgraded?
I would love to update my 2021 Lyrik Ultimate.

Unfortunately for you, only ZEB is upgradable

 

[MBj1703]

Unfortunately for you, only ZEB is upgradable

 

[amityxd]

Unfortunately for you, only ZEB is upgradable

Actually, Lyrik and Pike are also upgradable but only the the Flight Attendant ones.

 

[CordlezToaster]

I found the rebound of the zeb select + quite aggressive on the rebound when going over smallish consecutive bumps, does this upgrade smoothen that out?. What sort of cost is this uopgrade?

 

[Ushtang]

Hmm, not sure. My Zeb is the Ultimate which I believe has the same air spring and damper as the Select+. I found small bump compliance very good. This upgrade noticeably improved it more, but I wouldn't say it was an extreme difference.

Perhaps your Zeb needs more tuning? I recall at first I thought my Zeb was quite harsh with small bumps. I was able to make it feel very muted over fast, small, consecutive bumps by lowering my air pressure a bit more than what I had, having very little low speed compression (LSC), and lastly, speeding up the rebound to almost fully open.

 

[BobMtnBkr]

I have a 2021 ZEB Select + on a 2021 TREK Rail 9.8XT. It came with the same air spring as the 2021 “Ultimate” ZEB, but the damper was less capable (Charger 2.1 RC damper vs. Charger 2.1 RC2 damper).

I wonder how the new Charger3 damper and Debonair+ air spring would compare to installing a coil conversation kit like Push ACS3 or Vorsprung smashspot?

 

[SandroRiz]

What sort of cost is this uopgrade?

More or less, 300€ the charger and 100€ the damper

 

[ckkone]

I would just sell my current Zeb and buy the new one, seems like you spend more trying to upgrade the old one and you don't get the air bleeders.

 

[Ushtang]

Old Zebs now sell $800 - $830 new. I'd be lucky to sell my used Zeb close to that. I also don't need the bleeders. Where I ride, elevation change isn't that extreme so I'd have no use for them.