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Exactly. Rise: You have to manage the gears like you used to on an acoustic bike so gives you a different riding experience Than powering up on a full power bike.

Interesting. I came across this one, too: Rubbee X Base Model23

How do you find these?

I would be interested in seeing how those compare to the Rise EP8RS

The lighter bikes are easier to handle on single track and more fun on technical trails. So it depends on what kind of ridding you do.

I like carbon. And it is a little sleeker. The size of the battery is fine for me. And isn’t it a little lighter?

I bought a carbon Rise and then sold my Turbo Levo v .2. The levo was one generation old and still under the extended warranty and so I got a good price for it. My current thinking is to upgrade bikes while the bike I’m selling still has decent value. I believe that is less of an issue with...