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I've been reliably informed (by people on this forum) that £1,000 for a badly engineered not weatherproof unreliable tiny little electric motor is a bargain. So you should be grateful they're letting you have it that cheap.

If you say so. I must say I'm impressed that you've given up pretending to be reasonable and gone straight for the personal attacks. Much more fun! I await your first "Your mama..." line...

If you're on about sex I've been married for 16 years. This one is a lot more fulfilling than my first marriage. Read into that what you will.

The secret is to not whinge about the cost of things to women. Although when I did have loads of money back in the day it seemed to be very attractive to women. And what does that say about women?

Re: I'm not a fan boy in the slightest. LOL You dont fool me mate. If it walks like a duck etc. You absolutely are a fanboy. Re: Firstly the E7000 motor doesn't have a retail price of a grand at all. In that case why are they charging him a grand? We'll be generous and say £100 labour...

Re; Those are production costs you've quoted, not retail, but you can buy a bike motor for less than £100 retail : I addressed that. Re; I think where you're missing the differences is the technology incorporated into a mid drive "motor" which is far more than just the "motor". Nope, Bafang...

"Then off you **** to put your money where your typing digits are and manufacture us all this cheap alternative you're harping on about." I never said I could. But that's got nothing to do with this argument. Another Strawman, you're good at them. In fact its all you've got. But its perfectly...

I'm comparing one complex manufactured item with another. I've worked in Manufacturing on and off my whole life - manufacturing cost is normally proportional to batch size, complexity, longevity and size. The eike motor is smaller, simpler and has less expected longevity than an electric car...

For comparison here's the cost of manufacturing a powerful motor for an electric car. Anybody defending £1000 ($1400) for an ebike motor is an idiot. They're taking the piss. And yes I do understand the difference between manufacturing cost and selling cost. That still doesn't explain the...

It is just a motor isn't it? " Shimano will not replace the motor under warranty as it had been chipped (steps unlocker). The cost of replacing it has been quoted at £1000 all in. "

Does anyone else think £1000 for a little electrical motor is ridiculous? :unsure::unsure::unsure::unsure:

Yeah. I got conned into changing a 100 quid cassette after about 800 miles during a service. It seemed fine to me. The whole service was a con, ive never gone back there again.

Me for a start. After my heart attack. Ive broken my leg, my wrist and lots of ribs since I started 4 years ago. Best hobby ive ever had! This is getting like a Monty Python sketch :LOL:

Longevity IS the long run. Thats literally what it means.

So by your reasoning that implies charging to 80%, that everyone thinks is good for batteries, is actually bad for batteries...

Does 80% count as a partial recharge?

I get loads of exercise swapping my motors in and out when they break. A good 60 minutes of arm and brain workout.

It seems fair to me as well and i take my emtb to Bike Park Wales.

I go faster and faster until I fall off and break a bone. Then I rest until the bone has almost healed and then go out and do the same again. I'm getting quite quick now and last year was the first year since I started 4 years ago that I didn't break something. Lots more skin missing but that...

I have to add to this thread. I sent my bosch gen 2 motor off to Performance Line Bearings which had 9k on it. I got it back on tuesday, after only 11 days. Fitted it yesterday myself. Obviously its early days, but it feels like new. I got them to fit the extra seals they do, hopefully that...