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I just picked one of these up for my wife. They are mostly sold out in the 6.0 except XL. Which speaks to the idea they must have sold reasonably well. I do not yet see a replacement within the Specialized lineup; no full suspension commuter bikes on offer since this one went out of production...

Doesn't the Fuel suffer from similar criticism? It is over 40lb, not the best riding position, but less wheelbase probably. I guess I will call to see if anyone has that Scott, but wife is going to say I cheaped out and bought her a cheaper bike than the rest of the family :-)

J Just dropped by local trek shop. I asked about the caliber. He said it was terrible because fazua motors and electronics always failed. He said they may come with an electric version of their full suspension gravel bike soon. They have XT fuel exe at $4799. Extra battery 700. For 6300 I can...

Thanks. We already have three Fuel exes so it would be nice to keep all the chargers and service visits consistent at Trek. I also like domestic manufactured stuff even though the motors are German or whatever. She needs a 50 or 60nm gravel bike with suspension and a big battery. Maybe I can...

Some of the 2025 Slash models specify the 60nm motor, which seemed attractive. But yes dragging suspension around that never gets used seems foolish, even if it us only 10lb difference.

Looks nice. Precisely the sort of frame I am looking for. Not any more expensive than a Trek. Downside is the 360 battery doesnt have sufficient range.

We are already burning out 360 plus extender, and my wife doesnt pedal as hard as I do. So a bike for her will need a larger battery for sure and maybe the 60nm motor. I was hoping to get it in a limited travel suspension bike with gravel tires, rather than the full suspension fuel exe or slash...

Did Trek make a full suspension gravel type bike with a 580wh battery and TQ motor for 2025? I see Slash on sale with 580wh battery and hpr50 motor, but that seems like a downhill bike. We ride mostly fire roads, so we dont need all that suspension travel and weight.

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I'm taking all these numbers with a lot of salt in absolute terms. To me their main benefit is comparing my performance on the same bike from ride to ride and within the same ride. I know what power level I can sustain, so I just put the meter there and grind. In the end, this is not so...

I think newer Fuel exes have more battery and 20% more efficient motor. Combined these can get the range up even in steep terrain for fit people. My philosophy is that if the bike is making more power than I am, I am no longer bicycling, but rather motorcycling, which is a different activity...

I suppose there is a better thread for this, so feel free to move if needed. We have 3x Fuel eXe with the XT stuff and extender batteries with the old 50nm motors. Overall they are great and not wanting for power. We ride very steep canyon climb outs from our home in West LA. In general, we...

I may try one to compare. We have three fuel exes. I think the batteries are not compatible, so that would increase the cost. I do not think the cooling fin thing is an issue; the frame cutout size is determined by the motor size. But in reality the 60 does not seem to be available from...

No not the biggest. That is after the battery is gone and your range is unlimited. This happened last night actually. My son used level 1 until it was gone. Good workout.

The extender gets you closer. But climbing in level 1 is the biggest range extender of all?

This may be true. I would like to highlight that no one seems to be outlining a framework for how much power is "enough". As my hot rodding friends say, "Fundamentally, you get used to any amount of power." I can see using higher and higher multiples of rider power output with age, as riders...

The Fuel exes are great. The motor will more than double the rider's power output. I would argue that when the motor is making more power than the rider, you aren't biking any more - you are riding a motorcycle with a pedal-controlled throttle. We just rode up the steep climb at the head of our...

All power levels are a bit arbitrary

It would drain battery faster if the hpr60 were not more efficient than the hpr50. But it supposedly is a lot more efficient. So it is just a matter of getting the hpr60 to talk to the old batteries, dropping it in with a new control screen, and seeing how it does. Maybe they will even go higher...

This motor is the same form factor and bolt pattern. They are designed to drop out for replacement in all frames. My sense is that this was designed to be fully backward compatible with respect to both motor and controller cutouts on existing frames. Unclear if battery software will need...