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Thanks! That is a relief! My Mr Chat calc says that If you used 72% previously, and 62% now with very similar conditions, the overall improvement in efficiency is 10/72 = ±14%. Thats at least something! Hows the noise and overheating?

@Mteam Thanks for the informative report! That range is a bit of downer. 😢 I have been through a few TQ motors and I found that when I get a replacement motor it helps to do a system reset (hold center button and both remote buttons) and also drain the battery once completely until dead dead...

now we are talking! Thanks @Mteam. Now for the big kicker! How does it ride? Is the drag on climbs (with motor turned off) as bad as the HPR50? That is my biggest gripe with the HPR50. All 5 motors had different levels of anchor dragging stickiness on climbs with motor off, even with battery out.

Found some more dealer links to the Gen 2. I dont think there is a 9.5 version this time round. 9.7 Gen 2, eu5999, this is a great price, considering that the 9.7 gen1 launched at eu7999: https://www.cecil-cycle.de/Trek_FUEL_EX_9.7_EU_S_Carbon_Smoke/Lithium_Grey_Marble.html Good spec...

@Mteam as a long time pioneer to the EXE community, you go! We nervously await good feedback! When are you getting delivery of your HPR60? I am tired of waiting for the official Fuel+ release, so some good content would go a long way to ease the pain! ;)

Looks like there were some frame-only listings, obviously taken down now:

I think I heard somewhere when they launched the HPR50 that they can get more power out of the same package, and exactly 3 years later they got 15% more power out of the same package... thats hardly any innovation. It looks like exactly the same motor with some fins at the bottom! Quite...

Here are my Qfactor measurements and calcs: The TQ motor is 130mm wide, thus: E13 e*spec plus cranks (165mm) with the 22.5mm offset gives you a 130+(22.5x2) = 175mm q-factor. E13 e*spec plus cranks (155mm) has a 19.5mm offset, so a 169mm qfactor. From e*13 support "Helix Race e*spec cranks...

Yes, '23 model. 65mm stroke. Definitely more buttery than the Float X, I don't even know its there!

Do you perhaps know if the Wolftooth IS41 top fits snugly on the EXe?

Sounds great! Would be cool to know what your motor serial and art no is? It is on the top of the motor, so to you have to loosen the motor mount bolt to see it.

Monster post, so hold tight. An update on my 10 month ownership: So I am on motor #3, all the way in South Africa. I have an early 9.7 (Aug'22), probably one of the 1st batches to come out of the factory. Major notable issues were, 1. Geo mess-up / lower bb than advertised / changing BB...

Its called “de-rating” by TQ, and it is by design. I received this from them in my correspondence with TQ about the motor cutting power at higher temperatures; “Under extreme circumstances, derating of the power may occur. This happens in small steps and only as much as is absolutely necessary...

good to know that there are motors out there working as intended, must be a bad batch doing the rounds :ROFLMAO:

Now we are talking! What would be gold is to try and identify drivetrain losses (drag) or system efficiency at varying outputs. Imagine you could still find hub power meters and combine that with the Garmin pedals. You can then show the cumulative wattage that hits the rear hub. Rider input +...

This is really interesting. I have tried 2 motors on my bike, and 3 motors on 3 other bikes and all exhibit the behaviour described by @ragetty "drag’ after switching off assist". This made me think it is a design issue. So very keen to understand if your motor has literally no drag after...

@BuzzCanada any update on the wattage output of the motor and reading of the inbuilt powermeter? Any feedback from TQ?

That is exactly the sensation I get. Not sure if its a general design flaw or a manufacturing tolerance issue, but it really limits the application of the bike. I started complaining about the drag with TQ, and their responses have been very slow. So not sure if they are still figuring it out on...

Both my motors felt great in mid and high, basically anything with the motor output more than 90% of my input. But anything less than that there is a marked difference, and it is almost as if am starting to “pull” or work against the motor, and it gets increasingly harder with lower assistance %...

Exactly the phenomenon. I can only think it has to do with heat , and some materials expanding, which adds friction and keep the motor “engaged”. The tolerances looks tight in there, so could be hit and miss between motors. LBS had to ride the bike on a steep incline, because it is not as...