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Sadly, no reply to my two emails regarding the status of this frame. Anyone can feel free to send him an inquiry as well.

One year later and still nothing. I can't believe it is that hard to put aM560 engine into a M620 housing with a 9-12 speed gear box. Pinion showed it is possible in an even more compact unit. Kindernay had a great system with their SWAP cages, but it sadly never took off and they went the way...

Another cool project, keep us updated! These guys also don't have to lug around their own bike. I am decently strong, but even I struggle to throw around a 30kg ebike.

Interesting, I contacted Peter to inquire if the frame is actually still being sold. It pretty much is the perfect fat bike frame, I guess. No need for these M620 brutes for me.

Thanks Thanks, I/we are looking for the frames only though. But at this point I the good frames will all be full suspension. :-/

Gotcha. I assume trail chatter was greatly minimised? Your reports about the M820 being lacking in configurability made me wonder if a M510 based gravel bike might be the more versatile choice.

Just pushing this up, I am surprised the topic is not more popular.

What is the rear suspension like? Does it make a difference?

The entire website of the bike vendor is now down, so I can't even find the bike anymore. Would still be curious if there are any decent M510/560/600 compatible hard-tail-frames for real fat tires.

I wish I could give you a definitive answer, but as you can tell, the feedback on that frame has been very limited so far. CarbonSpeed has a very good reputation in the Chinese carbon world, but given your other posts, I will not claim that it will not break under all circumstances. But if I...

Disclaimer, I only have a very limited understanding of suspension kinematics, but if basic math still applies here, and I am not overlooking something obvious, this should hopefully be correct. Let's also call the 230x65mm shock (with offset bushings of either 2x2mm, or 2x3mm) a 225x65mm from...

I may be wrong about this, but given how much you can adjust the BB height via the flip chip, and there almost always is some extra leeway on top of that in both directions, before anything hits the frame (tire or linkage), I would be surprised if you couldn't overshock the SANN with a 230x65mm...

Thanks! I added all the M820 compatible frames to the opening post, when I have the patience, I will try to improve the styling, but is to suffice for now. Thanks to everyone, that posted alternative frames. I hope this can serve as a reference for anyone looking for such a frame/build. Feel...

Not sure if I am convinced by that. If they would offer a lower power motor with integrated gear box, there would still be enough audience to sell a M630 or M560 to. There are also the people, who would have bought another motor instead, that such an integrated unit would convince to buy a...

I understand very little of this, but I wish you the best of luck with this project! Looking forward to see the final result, and that you will be happy with it!

I don't think this was posted yet here, hopefully someone will find this post useful: There is a new frame by XMCarbonspeed, that was introduced at Eurobike 2024, called the CS-EF-01. This is the first fat bike frame for Bafang's M5xx motors, allowing for lighter builds, than the M620 based...

Thanks for reporting. This is actually the new Lightcarbon frame. It looks very interesing, but there apparently are no reports from users yet. I don't think I ever contacted them via Email. :unsure: Here is their contact info, for anyone interested. My current analogue daily driver might last...

Very interested in what you will have to report about the frame. @JimLee-Lightcarbon, it would be great to know the max. load capacity, if one mounts a rack to that suspended rear triangle. :)

I really hate derailleurs, but can't (nor do I want to...) afford a Pinion MGU bike, and that doesn't even consider, that the options are extremely limited. Why doesn't Bafang just take an M820 power level motor and put into an M510 sized housing with a (circa) 12-speed gearbox? That is all I...

I am not TQFreak, but I have been in a similar situation, and spoke to a guy that owns a Kindernay. He was trying to source some part for it (another cage, to build a new wheel-set?!), that is how I found him online. He strongly advised me against buying a Kindernay at this point, but...