Depends how many teeth you are prepared to loose especially if not eearing a full face helmet.
Body armour. Again!
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UA first layers are wicking
JoeBlow
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I have found the EVOC Torso Protector which seems a little better with regard to rib protection. I also like the fact that you can attach a small bum bag to the back which takes things off your waist which I also like. I've ordered both.
This morning I wore an Under Armour HG base layer vest, my Leatt Stealth and a jersey. Bearable but a little too much. I think a wicking base layer and this Evoc Torso Protector will be better in these conditions. I'll just have to get over my self consciousness about armour. You can only research so much then it becomes very tedious.
This morning I wore an Under Armour HG base layer vest, my Leatt Stealth and a jersey. Bearable but a little too much. I think a wicking base layer and this Evoc Torso Protector will be better in these conditions. I'll just have to get over my self consciousness about armour. You can only research so much then it becomes very tedious.
In these temps even my unobtrusive Evoc Race belt becomes noticeable. It looks like I'm going to end up with several different types of protection which comes as no real surprise. Different riding styles, different trail types and different weather conditions are a challenge to coming up with a single body armour solution. I very much doubt that there will ever be one. IMO the real hard core armour is really for competitions. In many years I have never had rocks and debris thrown up at me when following someone but then again I've never entered a competition so this so called "roost" gear is wasted on me. You see I've learnt something I had never heard of "roost" before I started investigating.
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Roost (short for rooster tail) comes off of the rear tire of an offroad motorcycle. Nobody on the planet has powerful enough legs to create a “roost” from a bicycle tire that would require a chest protector designed to ward off flying dirt/rocks.
My Alpinestars Class 1 jacket already is wicking. Adding a Heat Gear undershirt would probably only make me feel hotter. What value would it add? Not attacking here, just trying to understand why adding a layer is beneficial.
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JoeBlow
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1. You minimise the danger of trapping chest hair in the zip.
2. You can get away with washing it less.
3. It probably does not wick as well as a thin dedicated wicking layer.
After my run the TLD Stealth was wet, the Under Armour vest was dry so its not as straight forward as you may be thinking. If I'm honest I don't know, I'm still experimenting, you may well be right. I am conscious and wary of multiple layers when it is hot. I think my latest purchase will be a good solution. Thin wicking layer and Evoc on top.
Plummet
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For the record. I'm not trying to bag anyone out. Just trying to help people be less injured.
Too often we look for body armour to save us. And it does. But, by far the injury prevention is going to be far superior if we work break fall techniques. In particular those rib type injuries mentioned here. All the robocop in the world wont stop the body slam rib injuring or if you land like a dolphin chest first.
This guy does a good job showing the technique.
Too often we look for body armour to save us. And it does. But, by far the injury prevention is going to be far superior if we work break fall techniques. In particular those rib type injuries mentioned here. All the robocop in the world wont stop the body slam rib injuring or if you land like a dolphin chest first.
This guy does a good job showing the technique.
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I'm in danger of becoming a bore but these techniques would not work in the situations I have described and are nothing at all to do with my very precise question. I want gear advice. I don't for a second think that you are thinking body armour is not required if you have these skills but you are headed that way if we follow your logic.
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For the record heres my armour
The 661 robocop style does help when you slam on ya back. The back protector is quite good. But dang its hot in summer.
I use this one for dh racing and my silliest of missions.
And the dharco soft shell stuff for not quite as extreme riding. Its pretty stealth too if you wear a shirt over it.
It works suprisingly well for its minimalistness. But if you slam awkwardly on you ribs you will still do damage.
The 661 robocop style does help when you slam on ya back. The back protector is quite good. But dang its hot in summer.
I use this one for dh racing and my silliest of missions.
And the dharco soft shell stuff for not quite as extreme riding. Its pretty stealth too if you wear a shirt over it.
It works suprisingly well for its minimalistness. But if you slam awkwardly on you ribs you will still do damage.
Plummet
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Nope, i do not forsake the armour for break falling techniques. I'm all about injury prevention. Undertake all actions to for injury prevention. The best one is to not crash in the first place. That in its self is a whole different topic.
For the record, you are wrong regarding break falling techniques not helping in your instance. Break falling techniques can help in every instance, No matter what the instance... inless you literally fall off a cliff. For mtb crashes at mtb speeds falling sideways, backwards, forwards, over the bars, hitting trees, ladning on stuff, theres techniques that can save you more injury.
What i showed above is one type of technique. There are many more. They may not fully stop an injury occuring, but they may minimise that injury.
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I know, I know which is why I am asking for advice on gear for minor tumbles at slow speed on technical terrain where there is no room to maneuver or time to react. The consequences are not serious but very inconvenient and could be easily solved with rib protection but no manufacturers seem to cater for that. Some look as though they do but when you investigate further you discover that its buckle padding rather than rib protection even though it may offer some protection. The Evoc I have ordered is the closest I've seen to what I require. The level of protection on the chest is carried on around the torso. It may not be level 2 protection but I honestly believe level 1 will be fine for the scenario I have now described many times and it seems to cover the ribs. I'll know when it arrives.
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Nope, i do not forsake the armour for break falling techniques. I'm all about injury prevention. Undertake all actions to for injury prevention. The best one is to not crash in the first place. That in its self is a whole different topic.
I don't disagree with you in principle and I have watched videos but I have not yet seen one that is relevant to the situation I have described. Narrow single track, slow speed, high-ish banks either side, rocks and roots in abundance, front wheel hits something or you hesitate or change your mind and you are gone in an instant. Without fail all the ones I've seen show riders escaping from the bike in mid-air travelling at speed. But all of this is irrelevant. I did not ask for advice on how to fall off my bike, I asked for very, very specific gear advice.
Plummet
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Keep watching a looking, There are technique that are useful. I have and do crashed in every possible way and used break falling techniques in every instance. At worst they lessen the impact and reduce the injury at best there is no injury.
I get that you haven't asked and don't want advice to improve you technique. Quite frankly, I don't care. If one person reading this decides to learn better techniques and starts practicing them, then that's one person getting less injured.
JoeBlow
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Lower the dropper post? God I wish I had thought of that! Give me a break. Not sure if you realize how patronising you come across as. I'm sure your intentions are good but my post was very, very specific and I believe comprehensively described but you seem to be going out of your way to avoid answering it. I may not be a highly accomplished, hard core rider but I'm not too shabby for my age and not too proud to ask for advice. I suppose answering questions that have not been asked is a symptom of the modern age and social media.
On the contrary those that engage with suggestions have no idea of the skill sets of someone posting and offer suggestions and advice probably mostly based on their own experiences. You asked for advice on armour to protect your ribs yet reject plenty of advice about minimizing the risk in the first place given that no armour is going to provide good rib protection. It is also the case.. as was pointed out previously, that when discussions like this are launched, many forum members other than the OP gain some learning or at least start to think about the issues.
JoeBlow
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I don't want to fall out over this but you did not engage with the OP in the slightest so I think it best that we remove ourselves from this thread as it seems to have run its course. At least I now know where to come if I want advice on Ninja skills when my body armour fails me.
Wouldn't it be ironic if I did so and you took the opportunity to recommend some armour. Such is social media.
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