The Golden Goose. 72v Dengfu E55 CYC X1 Pro.

Its been a long wait for the final parts needed to complete the build. I have got in contact with both Rapid Dirext and PCBWay, and both expect to ship on monday.

Heres a little sneak peek from rapid direct.

1000036529.webp
 
⚡ EMTB Pro Go Pro — exclusive discounts & ad-free Peaty's 25% off & more · Ad-free browsing · Pro badge See the deals →
Lucia @ Rapid Direct sent me some photos of the completed bracket. There are some cosmetic issues with my Goose logo unfortuantly, but it will not affect the function of the bracket. She will send that out ASAP for me.

IMG-20260312-WA0002.webp


1000036556.webp


1000036558.webp


Here is the areas that did not come out as planned.
1000036550.webp
 
The Goose isnt perfect, but it is still clearly identifiable as a goose. And once installed on the frame and motor, it will be hard to see the goose at all.
 
nice, its getting there!

Did u see the hybridiser bb bracket for m510 by any chance ?

i used it and it was solid cnc machined
 
How is the bracket made? I would have expected metal, but it looks like something else?
 
How is the bracket made? I would have expected metal, but it looks like something else?
It is 3d printed metal. Process is powder bed laser sintering (SLS), material is aluminium (AlSi10Mg). And it has then been hard coat anodised. They can only do that grey/black color anodize with this material.
 
nice, its getting there!

Did u see the hybridiser bb bracket for m510 by any chance ?

i used it and it was solid cnc machined
Thanks. Hopefully my material calculations result in a strong enough part. I did use Grok to assis with recommended material thickness etc.

No I dont think so? Can you link?
 
nice, its getting there!

Did u see the hybridiser bb bracket for m510 by any chance ?

i used it and it was solid cnc machined
I initially wanted a CNC process for the bracket, ideally to be made out of 7075. But my initial design / geometeries didnt allow for an easy to manufacture part. I probably could have simplified my design and gotten there if I optomised it enough. Obviously in the end I opted for metal 3dp.

I hadnt initially even considered 3d printing, I thought is was out of reach, Eg aero space budget. But the aluminium SLS is not that expensive all things considered. 3dp aluminium isnt as strong as 7075 or even 6061, it falls somewhere around 2/3 UTS of the solid materials. It can how ever be maunufactured into alot more complex geometeies.

This design was optomised specifically for the SLS AlSi10Mg process, (as best I could do at home, with absolutely zero CAD skills, or any additive manufactiring experience what so ever.) There are ofcourse other materials such as various steels, stainless, other grades of aluminium and even titaniums. But each material would require a different design, specifically optomised for that material.

For example, if I made this exact same part out of 3DP titanium Ti-6Al-4V, it would actually weigh nearly 1.5x as much. This is because titanium is more dense than aluminium. Ofcourse, it would also be 2.5x stronger. And likely somewhere about 4x more expensive. A titamium design could be made with thinner members and nodes, which would reduce weight and cost, but there is still practical limits to wall thickness that must be adhered to. I had already poured way too much time into the design to switch it up and go for SLS titanium, and I would likely not be able to realistically save that much weight once all said and done. And i wanr to ride the bike at some point, not just forever build it.
 
After owning a Dengfu e22 for a few years, I have decided to build a new bike. I love the e22, but have become accustomed to the power and crave more. When I bought the e22, I wasnt really that concerned with geometry, and just wanted an affordable powerful bike. But after riding it, and listening to the likes of Brian Cahil, I began to realise the bike is actually a really good match for my riding style and feel, and the type of terrain i tend to ride. The e22 is an awesome platform, the long rear end, upright riding posistion and reliable horst link handle the power and ride great at speed, and really compliment the motor combo and make for a great fast trail bike. The frame has been bullet proof reliable, and I am very impressed with the quality of the brand.

Ofcourse the Dengfu e55 was a strong candidate as a replacement. It also has really long chainstays, and on paper looks to have similar charactaristics. With some slight improvements in the way of a larger battery compartment, more upright seatpost and slacker head tube. Which I think are all good improvements, and shouldnt detract from the e22s feel. But, it doesnt really offer much of a performance increase other than 52v instead of 48v.

The Bafang Ultra has been a solid and reliable workhorse, and I have no issues there. But its not exactly optimised for eMTB. More power was a key consideration, and I have had my eye on the CYC X1 progression. Then with the likes of Bonnell bringing the 775mx to market, it cemented it for me that I wanted something along those lines. So that is where the idea to convert a e55 to accept an X1 was born.

I was also very seriously considering a Commencal DH Supreme v5. Because everything I have seen and heard of that bike sounds amazing, and the front triangle has enormous real estate for batteries. Yes, I know the Supreme is not even in the same category as a Dengfu e55, but I feel it would have been a very good candidate for the type of bike I am envisioning. The longer travel would also be greatly appreciated, as I feel the e22/e55 could do with a little more in that departemnt. I dont particularily ride crazy terrain that demands it, but i feel that at decent speed, even small hits make for big compressions and can blow through the limited travel available on the Dengfu frames.

In the end I settled with the Dengfu e55. I like that the brand is not that well known, and I like the process of building a bike up from scratch as opposed to converting what is effectively an already complete bike. I also feel the integrated in-downtube battery is a cleaner look than a strap-on battery pack, even though capacity will be limited at approx 1kwh. I think having smaller shorter duration batteries that can be hot swapped would be better than a bigger longer lasting pack that is more difficult to swap. The choice was also partly to do with the maximum chain ring size. And lastly, by converting a mid drive back to a BSA bottom bracket, and then over to a X1 means i have control over adjusting things like BB drop, F/R balance, because the adapter is a custom component, and i could adjust geo quite easily by altering BB placement.

I purchased a red e55 frame from Dengfu directly, which arrived promptly and looking good. I do like a bit of bling on my bikes and quickly decided a black and gold theme would look great against the red frame. Its also where the bike got its nick name of the Golden Goose. So began a bit of a shopping spree collecting the parts needed. I wanted good quality gear, but also tried to take advantage of any deals / sales that was on offer.

With suspension, I opted for a Cane Creek Kitsuma Coil as one came up for discount. I have one of these on another bike and have always been very happy with the feel, once you figure out the complex setup ofcourse. A yellow 575lb Ohlins spring compliments the colourway I have in mind.

View attachment 172508

As others have found out, the way Dengfu has implemented the shock mount is a bit of an afterthought on the e55. It appears they have cheaped out and used the same bolt as the e22 instead of manufacturing one specifically for the e55. But due to the frame mounting shape, they had to drill quite deeply into the carbon to make it all work. It looks like shi1t, and has very little material to bear the load. I actually bent the shock bolt on my e22, so when I saw the e55 arrangement, I knew right away that was never gonna fly.

I pondered the arrangement and designed a solution that involves using a grade 12.9 precision ground 8mm shoulder bolt, and then turn down 2 tapered aluminium adapters to interface directly with the carbon frame. My lathe skills are quite amaturish, and i wanted something a little better than I could make myself. I had always wanted to learn 3d modelling and this was a good oportunity. So I got On-shape and spent a few nights teaching myself how to use the software, and designed the parts. I sent the files to JLCCNC and had them manufactured from 7075 aluminium and then hardcoat anodized black. They turned out great. Perfect fitment, and installed depth. The shoulder bolt a snug fit and perfect length. I am confident it should handle the heavy spring loads fine.

They are designed to be a slight press fit into the frame. So that way they remain inplace when the bolt is removed for shock removal. I went with a snug fit, as i wanted it all to be very tight fitting into the frame, to prevent movement and reduce wear n tear, and wallowing out of the carbon frame during use. The outside diamter is just a whisker under 15mm at the outside edge of the frame, and it then tapers down to approx 14.8mm, at the inner edge where it then transitions to the 45° bottom taper. This worked out pretty good.

One of the adapters is basically just a fancy washer that sits under the head of the shoulder bolt. It is counterbored so the head sits flush, and profiled to fit into the bore in the carbon frame.

The other adapter is basically a fancy nut, that the shoulder bolt can screw into. It has a 8mm internal bore on the inside face, so the shoulder bolt can insert into it before the threads fully engage. The idea was to allow the shoulder bolt to transfer the loads into the adapter, and not rely entirely on the threads. The outside face of the nut has 2 small holes that i can use a pin wrench / circlip pliers to hold when tightening. Although the press fit into the frame is tight enough that this wasnt needed during instalation.


View attachment 172521

View attachment 172510
View attachment 172511
View attachment 172513
View attachment 172514View attachment 172515View attachment 172512
View attachment 172516
View attachment 172517
Front fork I splurged for an Ohlins DH38 m1. I actually got a commencal V5 take-off directly from Commencal at a discounted rate, probably due to the release of the m2. It was still pricey but significantly cheaper than the ticket price elsewhere. A coil conversion was first up, because thats just the sort of guy I am. I ordered a few different grade coils to choose from. I just much prefer the feel of a coil, and Im stubborn and set in my ways. So i didnt even bother with air. Choosing a dual crown wasnt ideal, as the e55 is very wide on the top tube near the head set. That greatly impacts available steering angle. But too late now. Maybe if it gets to bad, ill swap to a single crown, and fit the DH038 onto the e22. I might swap to the biggest offset tripple clamps, that will get a bit more angle by moving the tubes forwards. Ideally id use the shortest offset clamps, as that makes the most stable steering.

View attachment 172519

With the longer than intended fork, and the fact the e55 is already slacker than the e22, I was concerned the front would be ridiculously slack for my liking. Which it would have been. Plus the integrated headset cable routing on the e55 was a major turn-off. So I opted for a 1.5° steeper Works headset kit. And that is where I ran into the second headache. Dengfu headsets measure 56mm top and bottom, which on paper sounds like a common ZS56 arrangement. But the Dengfu cups and frame counter bore is quite shallow. Significantly shorter than the Works components angle headset i had orderd. Thankfully this was actually easily over come by turning down the new headset cups with a large 45° chamfer on the lathe, so they match the shallow counter bore in the frame.

With a bit of careful measurements and some back and forth with Works support, I came to the conclusion the Works cups have enough meat in them to machine, just. Its just a little bit finicky to chuck them up as they are so small, and the dont have concentric faces, IDs or ODs due to the nature of how angle sets work. I pressed the modified cups into the frame and the installed height seemed about right. I think it will hold up over time.

View attachment 172524
View attachment 172506
View attachment 172518
In order to get away from the headset cable routing, I had to punch some holes into the frame. But where to do it. After much deliberation, i decided to put some small holes into the inside of the triangluar cut-away in the e55 frame. This allows for a relatively staight cable run, aswell as keeps the penetrations out of sight. I got my sharpest step drill and got to work. Then cemented in some rubber grommets. It aint my best work, hopefully hasnt weakened the frame too much.

For the drivetrain I opted for a CYC HD 5spd. I know the X1 Pro doesnt really need gearing. But the ghost pedalling feel sounds absolutely horrible, so I needed something. I blew up a couple of Kindernay IGHs on my e22 before recently swapping to the CYC 5spd, so I figured it would make sense to run both bikes like that. Time will tell how it holds up. Drivetrains is my achilles heel with these bikes. Nothing has been able to reliably handle my abuse yet.

For the wheels I decided to build them up my self. The CYC 5spd kit comes with a rear hub, so I laced that up to the new DT Swiss FR571 using Sapim Strongs and brass Squorx nips. I went 29", as the bike is gonna be fast trail use primarily. Up front another DT FR571, laced to a Spank Hex, again using Sapim Strongs. (Heavy for a front wheel, but strong as anyrhing). Tyres I went tanwall Schwalbe Magic Mary / Big Betty in super gravity orange stripe option. And lastly, swapped over to the gold rim decals.

View attachment 172505

Brakes I choose to use Formula Cura 4s specifically because of how good they look in gold, and how that would match my colourway. A purely superficial aesthetic choice. I have always used Hope brakes, and i have never had any need to change. But these Formula Curas are sex. I went out on a bit of a limb, as they were unknown to me, and id seen mixed reviews. I did end up frankestein-ing in some Hope hoses, as i didnt like the look of the standard hoses, and i needed the 90° banjos aswell. I also went straight to some Galfer pads. I also choose Hope 220mm rotors too.
View attachment 172522

Pedals are bronze Spank Oozy. All my bikes have Spank Oozy. I ONLY ever ride Spank Oozy. I did actually buy some Raceface kashmoney Atlas pedals. But my OCD kicked in and I changed my mind and went back to the tried and true Spank Oozy. I think im up to like 5 pairs now.

The rest of the componets i pick and choose primarily based on how they look / personal prefference / brand loyalty. Renthal Fatbars. Ritchy seat. Burgtec for stem, seat clamp, and UDH because of the really nice gold colourway. E13 cranks. PNW dropper. I bought about 3 or 4 sets of grips before i found the right combo of colour, width and feel. I eventually sertled on Raceface Gripplers in Gum colour. I threw in a few gold highlights aswell like valve stems, rotor bolts etc. Dropper remote is a Aliexpress unit. Things like gold cable sheaths etc also sourced on Aliexpress.

View attachment 172529

The battery was the next big hurdle. The X1 Pros really sing with 72v. But jamming 72v into the Dengfu e55 battery case isnt exactly an easy feet. For me, maintaining the quick swap functionality of a removable in-downtube battery was a must. That way I can have a couple of batteries and swap when needed. The standard e55 battery case is a Reention Rhino case. These are typically made to 52v, 14s4p, but can hold a maximum of 60 x 21700 cells, but that doesnt leave any space for a BMS. In order to hit 20s / 72v and have enough instantaneous power and capaicty to be somewhat usefull, I need to use all 60 cells, arranged 20s3p, and use some high capacity / high instantaneous output cells like molicel p45 or Samsung 50s. And Id still need a decent BMS jammed in there aswell, around 80a capable to achieve a theoretical 5kw peak.

In order to achieve this 20s3p and still fit a BMS inside the Rhino case, I had to get really creative with the cell placement. The standard cell scaffold in the case is not optimised, the cell holes are quite large, and the cell pitch isnt that tight either. Plus there is alot of wasted space along the edges. I spent alot of nights re-designing a cell scaffold to fit the case, that would allow all 60 cells and an 80a slimline Jiabaida (JBD) BMS. I managed to do this by bunching the cells up, utilising all the vertical height at one end of the pack and stagering it, then at the other end of the pack, flattening the layout out, and using the full length available to squeeze a BMS ontop. I was splitting millimeters, and literally using every one available to me. It took me alot of time, many revisions and a crash course in On-Shape to get the design hammered out.

The cell scaffold is currently getting CNC cut from POM plastic by JLCCNC. I dont really know whats better between 3d printing and CNC machining, but in my mind, CNC seemed like the better option. They could achieve minimum wall thickness of 0.8mm, and i opted for a cell hole diameter of 21.2mm, resulting in a primary pitch of 22mm. Just enough to fit it all in.

The Rhino case is at minimum 73.7mm wide, which really doesnt leave much room for a 70mm+ cell and the cell interconnects and insulation. So I am sourcing some custom copper bussbars to be made. I couldnt use off the shelf bussbars as my cell pitch changes as ive massaged the placement in order to cram everything in.

View attachment 172525
View attachment 172526
View attachment 172527
View attachment 172528

As for the motor mounting arrangement. I have began fabricating this myself. Basically 2 piece of 5mm steel, cut and drilled to match the m620 mounting bolt pattern, and then an off the shelf BSA bottom bracket shell. As much material removed from the plates to reduce excess weight. And then welded together with some spacer tubes between the bolt holes.

But the more i play around with 3d modelling, im pretty confident i could design something alot more professional, and have it sent off for CNC machining like the reat of the custom components. I will probably end up doing this.

Weight isnt really a concern for me. I just something i can beat up on over and over and not fail. So the heavy / meaty components are a must, at the expense of a little extra baggage.

Keep posted for more buid progress as it develops. The build is a slow burn, as with a 50hr work week, and 2 kids, I do not have much excess time for this project.
I am dying to see how you are going to adapt the CYC X1 pro motor to that frame!
 
I recieved the bracket a couple of days ago. I am really impressed with it. The metal seams to be really good quality. I have drilled and tapped holes for the grub screws and motor mounting points. And the metal seams very uniform consistency. No voids in any of the areas where the drill/tap penertrated. It looks like billet material, i was expecting it be more like a cast material.

20260317_173346.webp


20260317_173412.webp


20260320_060559.webp
 
I installed the metal bracket today. Perfect fit. Everything lined up, with no slop in the frame, or BB. A very snug fit with all the parts.

I also got the speed sensor fitted up with the 3d printed mounting bracket. Also a perfect fit as designed. Unfortuantly the speed sensor wiring was too short. Literally about 100mm too short to reach, which really sucks. Not sure how it would reach on any bike, not just the e55?? You can get extension cables. But i decided to cut the speed sensor wiring and extend it using some 22g ETFE. I put a little 8 way connector on the end of the lead near the speed sensor, and made a plug-in extension piece. I will order an extra speed sensor and a couple of extension cables, to keep as spares.

I also soldered up the battery mounting base connector, and terminated an XT90 on it to match the CYC wiring. I used 6BS cable, which is about as big as you can physically fit on both the battery mpubting base and XT90. Its the same size as the CYC power cables, and i made it as short as possible.

The motor/controller wiring is all connected up, very difficult to get all the cables plugged in, because of the internal diagonal bracing inside the bracket. I once everythibg finalised, i will put a few cable ties to secure the wiring inside the adaper bracket.

1000036774.webp


1000036775.webp


1000036777.webp


1000036776.webp
 
The second 3d printed metal bracket from PCBway arrived today. This one is raw and doesnt have any anodize like the Rapid Direct part. The PCBway part has a smoother surface finish, and better detail. The goose logo for example is alot crisper and better defined.

There is however a noticable distortion in the bottom. When i put it flat on the table like the first foto, i can rock it diagonally between the BB tube, and the forwards motor mounting boss. These should all be in the same plane, and therefore not rock back n forth. I dont know whether this will actually affect the part fit or not.

1000036778.webp


1000036779.webp


1000036781.webp


1000036780.webp
 
I also recieved the version 3 battery cell scaffold. This is made with slightly larger features, and in a hi temp rated resin material. They look amazing.

So today i will begin making the battery atlast.

1000036782.webp
 
If anybody's interested in a similar project I have a brand new e55 frame sitting in my garage. Which I have bought for a similar purpose but later dropped the idea. Will be willing to sell it cheap if anyone is interested.
 
what was the thickness you managed to make the battery shoulders on your cell cage? specifically the individual cell slot shoulder
 
Hi.
On the 3rd revision of the cell scaffold now. I have made the "shoulder" 0.3mm thick. This is the small lip at base of each cell hole, before it meets the bussbar recess coming in from the outside. There is also a slight radius in the corner of the cell hole, as the cells dont have perfect 90° edges. I think 0.5mm maybe?

The cell holes are 21.4mm diameter. And cell pitch is primarily 22mm. Which leaves a wall thickness of 0.6mm at the narrowest point between cells. The hole at the end of each cell shoulder is 18mm diameter, where it passes through to the bussbar recess.

The bussbar recess is between 1.4mm and 2mm deep. Approx 2mm deep at the mid point, and about 1.4mm deep at the edges. This is because the battery case extrude isnt a perfect square/rectangle cross section. It actually has very large radius bulge on each side, which means the case is ever so slightly thicker in the middle span.

The space inside the battery is insanely limited. I started off with a shoulder about 0.8mm and have had to keep reducing it to get it to fit. Im at 0.3mm now which is basically nothing. PCBway dont recommened this thin and will make you sign a waiver that the part will likely be deformed in this location. But they have been reliably able to resin print for me at this dimension. (PCBway have the best quality of all the vendors I have used. But they are generally the most expensive aswell.)

I guess technically, this little shoulder isnt actually needed with my design, as due to the way the buss bar recess is shaped, there is naturally a thick shoulder to catch at least a small amount of each cell to stop it falling through. So I could probably completely do away with the shoulder part all together.

The battery does fit, it is extremely tight. Like i was literally greasing the sides, and tapping it home with a block of wood. I think using the Isoval fibreglass insulation was a good call. It naturally is very stiff and quite low friction, which really assisted with inserting the assembly into the extrude.

I have now fully welded up the first battery. I even added additional 0.15mm tabs to each cell (120 times) to double the cross sectional area of each cell termination. I put a small dot of hot melt glue at each cell weld tab, and quickly pressed the Isoval insultors down. I had to really press them down to get them sitting at the correct installed hieght. The hot melt kept them all inpace as the assembly slid into the extrude.

I have basically assembled the first battery. Fully inserted into the extrude. (At great difficulty and fear of damaging something.) I even had to partually pull it back out as i was having some troubles with the BMS. But have sorted everything and re-inserted it. As i said, i was using a block of wood tapping it home. Basically hitting the case with the wood, and using the inertia of the battery to get it to drive it home. I used liberal amounts of electrical grease to lather up all the surfaces and this allowed everything to slide in.

At the ends of the case, the space for wiring is just as tight. Very carefull cable routing, thinking about which way the solder joints face, making the cable short enough that it can layin without bunching up. Probably one of the most challenging electrical installs i have ever had to do. And i am a professional HD auto elec.

what was the thickness you managed to make the battery shoulders on your cell cage? specifically the individual cell slot shoulder
 
I got the BMS powered on and functioning. A little bit of confusion with the app. The BMS comes with a QR code for the JBD BMS app. The app works but doesnt have access to full functionality to configure the BMS. It turns out you need another app called XiaoXiangElectric in order to configure the BMS. I needed to tell the BMS i am running a 20s battery, as it defaults to 22s.

I also made a mistake when i hooked up the balance wires the first time around, due to tge way the BMS is configurable for mamy different voltages, you need to wire the second last cell balance wires in a certain configuration to match what voltage your battery pack is. This was somewhat confusing for first time wiring up. Made extra difficult by how tight the battery gits into the extrded case.


1000036801.webp


1000036805.webp
 
Last edited:
Hi.
On the 3rd revision of the cell scaffold now. I have made the "shoulder" 0.3mm thick. This is the small lip at base of each cell hole, before it meets the bussbar recess coming in from the outside. There is also a slight radius in the corner of the cell hole, as the cells dont have perfect 90° edges. I think 0.5mm maybe?

The cell holes are 21.4mm diameter. And cell pitch is primarily 22mm. Which leaves a wall thickness of 0.6mm at the narrowest point between cells. The hole at the end of each cell shoulder is 18mm diameter, where it passes through to the bussbar recess.

The bussbar recess is between 1.4mm and 2mm deep. Approx 2mm deep at the mid point, and about 1.4mm deep at the edges. This is because the battery case extrude isnt a perfect square/rectangle cross section. It actually has very large radius bulge on each side, which means the case is ever so slightly thicker in the middle span.

The space inside the battery is insanely limited. I started off with a shoulder about 0.8mm and have had to keep reducing it to get it to fit. Im at 0.3mm now which is basically nothing. PCBway dont recommened this thin and will make you sign a waiver that the part will likely be deformed in this location. But they have been reliably able to resin print for me at this dimension. (PCBway have the best quality of all the vendors I have used. But they are generally the most expensive aswell.)

I guess technically, this little shoulder isnt actually needed with my design, as due to the way the buss bar recess is shaped, there is naturally a thick shoulder to catch at least a small amount of each cell to stop it falling through. So I could probably completely do away with the shoulder part all together.

The battery does fit, it is extremely tight. Like i was literally greasing the sides, and tapping it home with a block of wood. I think using the Isoval fibreglass insulation was a good call. It naturally is very stiff and quite low friction, which really assisted with inserting the assembly into the extrude.

I have now fully welded up the first battery. I even added additional 0.15mm tabs to each cell (120 times) to double the cross sectional area of each cell termination. I put a small dot of hot melt glue at each cell weld tab, and quickly pressed the Isoval insultors down. I had to really press them down to get them sitting at the correct installed hieght. The hot melt kept them all inpace as the assembly slid into the extrude.

I have basically assembled the first battery. Fully inserted into the extrude. (At great difficulty and fear of damaging something.) I even had to partually pull it back out as i was having some troubles with the BMS. But have sorted everything and re-inserted it. As i said, i was using a block of wood tapping it home. Basically hitting the case with the wood, and using the inertia of the battery to get it to drive it home. I used liberal amounts of electrical grease to lather up all the surfaces and this allowed everything to slide in.

At the ends of the case, the space for wiring is just as tight. Very carefull cable routing, thinking about which way the solder joints face, making the cable short enough that it can layin without bunching up. Probably one of the most challenging electrical installs i have ever had to do. And i am a professional HD auto elec.
Thanks for the details! im currently in the same boat with a tight 20s3p 18650 in a syr case. its so tight i was considering removing the shoulders completely and use 2 pieces of .2mm g-11 above and below the bussbar and then wrap the entire pack in kapton and one layer of .8mm(1/32") poron foam for vibration damping. this leaves a total of .4mm around the perimeter of the pack to wrap in shrink wrap and hopefully inserts with only slight effort.... hopefully. Also, i like that you chamfered the edges
 
I am sure BMD determines amount of series by itself depending on how you connected it with the balansing leads, not through the application. I had a glitch with a JBD BMS when it determined amount of series wrong, but reconnecting the wires solved it. Using the application you can only check amount of series BMS determined, but it can not change it through the application.
 
I am sure BMD determines amount of series by itself depending on how you connected it with the balansing leads, not through the application. I had a glitch with a JBD BMS when it determined amount of series wrong, but reconnecting the wires solved it. Using the application you can only check amount of series BMS determined, but it can not change it through the application.
Incorrect with this model of BMS atleast. I had the use the Xiaoxiang app and manually select 20s. It could be perhaps because the first time the BMS was powered on, the wires were configured wrong and that set it to 22s?

You are correct though that you cannot use the JBD app to change the settings. The JBD app only lets you monitor the BMS. You need to use a different app called XiaoXiangElectric in order to make changes to the JBD BMS. It has a very similar icon picture, and looks virtually the same user interface. But the options are more advanced.

1000036817.webp
 
Last edited:
I have got the battery on charge for the very first time. I wanted to wait until i had time to monitor properly for first use. My charger is voltage and current programable and can do a maximum of 20a. Thats a little high for a 3s pack. Initial charge rate I have opted for just below 0.5c or 7a. and float at 84v.

I just made a quick ghetto charge adapter to charge directly into the main battery terminals. I have wired up the small charge port in parallel to the main terminals, but I am reluctant to use that style of connector for any more than a few amps. And i dont have any spare male plugs anyways.

Hopefully be able to take the bike out for a shake down run today. There is a cyclone up the west coast and it has broaght a massive amount of rain. Which will make riding conditions actually very good out here on the local trails.

1000036866.webp



1000036864.webp


1000036870.webp



1000036867.webp
 
Charging complete. Took approximately 1hr 50mins to full charge from initial delivery state of charge. Temperature inside the pack rose from 22c to 32c. The BMS reached 34c.

Time to test/set up the X1 pro
 
OMG

First ride. Tried it at 6000w just to feel it. This is insane. The power is terrifing. Got to over 80kmh in no time at all. I suspect gearing is the limiting factor for more speed.

The power though, even with the long chain stays, the bike was wanting to lift off at the front. I had to shuffle up like a motor bike to prevent lifting the wheel. The pull is tremendous and doesnt really let off all the way thrpugh the range. Gears feel pointless, atleast not without fitting a much larger front chainring, or turning the power down.

I tried bouncing the suspension while doing a pull, the rear wheel was breaking traction at over 50kmh on bitumen surface. Even fully weighted, it feels like the knobs are peeling over with full power.

Battery wont last long at those power levels. The power is too much for me. Although it is nice to feel it.

im going to turn it down to around 2500w max. That should be nice increase over the Ultra, without being silly, hopefully allow a useable range. And be somewhat sympathetic to the mechanicals.
 
Got the bike out for a quick ride in the bush. Only had an hour or so before needed for other family commitments, so went down to my local spot. Just a quick shake down run. On some fire trail, and then into some low difficulty flat country single track. I reduced power to 2500w, and slightly slowed the ramp up rate in an attempt to make the bike a little more mellow for first ride.

Initial impressions of the bike itself are great. Riding posistion, geometry, bike feel are all great. Taller than the e22, but still very comfortable. Great confidence inspiring feel with the dual crown. The bike has great front / rear balance, no understeer tendancy even with the very long front. Which was something i was a little concerned could be an issue before riding. And the back end is very stable and predicatable. You can induce over steer with either power-on or braking, and its very predicatble and controlable. I was even oversteer drifting through some corners, while stood up on both pedals, thats how smooth and predictable it is.

Its very easy to lean the bike over, even with the larger battery weight compared to the e22. I was even throwing the bike around, shralping some corners, hooking up some hard tight radius supported corners and really putting it through it paces.

The suspension is no where near dialed in. Infact i didnt even adjust anything at all besides spring rates initially. I can tell right away the rear rebound was way off. A few times it wanted to buck me after bigger compressions then unweighting. I did make a few changes on the fly, but i know its not in a great way currently. The Cane Creek Kitsumas have alot of adjustment, and it can be quite daunting setting them up. I know ive got a fair bit of knob fiddling to get it into a happy place. But once set im confident it will be a great ride. I have a kitsuma coil on another bike and its a great shock once you spend the time getting it dialled in. The fork actually felt pretty good right out of the box. I dont have any negative characteristics yet. It did what its supposed to do. Arm fatigue even possibly felt slightly reduced compared to the e22, although hard to tell after 1 ride.

The 3d printed bracket held up to its first test aswell. Its carrying my full weight when stood up, so its got a lot of forces to deal with. So far so good.

Brakes are good, plenty of power, infact a little too much bite on the rear. These Formula Curas have a lever ratio adjustment, which changes the length between the master cylinder input and fulcrum relative to the lever. So i will try reducing the lever ratio in an attempt to slightly reduce the on/off bite tendancy. Alot of it probably has to do with me getting used to the brake feel aswell. But over all, im very happy with the brakes. Consistency was great, very repeatable feel. I think temperature handling will be the only weakness. They got very hot very quick. Not to the point that there was any fluid or pad problems. But i could see the rotors starting to discolour ever so slightly, and touching them after the ride they were HOT. It makes sense, more power in, means more work for the brakes.

I kept an eye on battery temps and motor temps. The battery runs pretty cool at 2.5kw. Highest temp i saw was 40c in the battrry, 42c in the BMS, and i deliberately gave it some extended full throttle fire road use to test it. The motor runs alot hotter than the battery. Motor got over 60c, and the controller stayed the coolest at 37c. Ambient temps were pretty mild, low 20s and also light rain, wet comditions. So not particularily stressfull. I think temps shouldnt be problem at these power levels, even with higher ambients.

This set up has ALOT of potential. I logged my times over a section of fast flowy single track. Alot of large radius high speed flat corners and low support corners, slaloming through trees. On my very first lap, i equalled my personal best time on the e22. Thats first ride, with the bike no where near dialed in, and me not even pushing that hard, and the bike at only like 40% peak power tune. So the bike (bike itself and motor) as a complete package has alot of potential.

Hard to say how battery range will go. I did 17kms today and still had maybe 40% left. I would like to be able to get 20-25kms range of aggressive riding from a battery. I guess i will monitor this over time, and i will likely adjust the power up or down, so that it matchs this endurance.

I need to add some mud guards. I was copping alot of mud and debris off the trail.
 
A couple of little upgrades today. Slapped on some mud guards front and rear. Just universal plastic ones I had laying around. Try to keep the dirt at bay, especially with the wet weather.

I also re-did the chain slap protection. The aliexpress unit lasted about 1 day vefore the adhesive peeled away. So I did some ghetto hacking using an old tyre and cable ties. I know it looks like sh1t, but its practical.

1000036949.webp


1000036948.webp


1000036947.webp
 
Keep reading
    Browse all

    Similar Threads

    Community Stats

    Since 2018
    668K
    Messages
    40,816
    Members
    Join 30,000+ Riders, it's free!
    Back
    Top