Levo Gen 4 People keep saying the Levo 4 is heavy but is it?

Let’s also not forget the turbo Levo is 11 years old.
Amflow, first bike and first gen motor….

So to be a specialized guy and not be a little disappointed is delusional. I actually am rooting for specialized to make a come back. The give a great veteran discount. Makes it comparable to amflow prices lol.
 
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Brawwp said:
53 vs 45lbs is pretty significant. Mine has DD tires, ext coil, zeb and is 48lbs. You can also fully build an amflow with the best brakes, tires, suspension and be lighter, more powerful, and cheaper than the specialized. It also looks way leaner and rides much more playful than the Levo. Both are still classified as a “trail or all mountain” bike. So to be 53-54lbs as a trail emtb from one of the biggest brands in the business is pretty sad. The pay more to get the higher nm motor is also pretty lame.

They fumbled the levo 4. Every review out there comparing that bike to others agrees with that statement. It’s not a bad bike still. I rode it and didn’t love it but I wouldn’t be mad if I bought one.
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Every review?? No. That’s simply an overstatement.
 
Citylad77 said:
The thing

i also know to few that have gone down this route and put the Gen 4S up for sale shortly after purchase.
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Yes you are correct in the respect that the brand has more potential than the current design. Is the bike fun, certainly, is it excellent in all categories, possibly not. I do have to say that I found it fantastic for aggressive downhill stability with its ability to absorb difficult terrain. .

it has been said many times that the reason that the current design is not at the same level of current trends and performances was because of the unsold inventory backlog that delayed the introduction by a year. So if you look at a 2025/6 design as actually a 2024/5 then it puts it into a better prospective. But then I do stand to be corrected by the ambassadors of the brand's friction-less power slide past anything not flattering like there’s no resistance.
 
Powerslider said:
Every review?? No. That’s simply an overstatement.
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yes you’re correct, that’s a generalization. Your review is all that really matters, but to say one of the biggest bike companies, one of the longest running emtb models, 4th generation and 11 years led to what they put out makes you stoked to go buy one…. Idk man. Defend it all you want, it’s not a bad bike, it’s still very solid. It’s just not what you’d expect.
 
The perception of weight has a lot to do with the short rear end and long front center too.
Specialized is getting pretty behind the curve for geo at this point.
It's a good e-bike compared to e-bikes of the last few generations, but compared to other current options it isn't great. After test riding, I'd not buy one.
 
Ndanger said:
Yes you are correct in the respect that the brand has more potential than the current design. Is the bike fun, certainly, is it excellent in all categories, possibly not. I do have to say that I found it fantastic for aggressive downhill stability with its ability to absorb difficult terrain. .

it has been said many times that the reason that the current design is not at the same level of current trends and performances was because of the unsold inventory backlog that delayed the introduction by a year. So if you look at a 2025/6 design as actually a 2024/5 then it puts it into a better prospective. But then I do stand to be corrected by the ambassadors of the brand's friction-less power slide past anything not flattering like there’s no resistance.
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I am sure that they will learn by there mistakes, as you say the Gen 4 is really a 24 bike. At that juncture DJI had rocked up at Euro Bike with there Batt and Motor, it was a hard sell at this point from what I am told, so they went down there own route with AMflow, the rest is history like they say. The best EMTB I had ridden with regards the feel, balance , power delivery etc to date is the AMflow, after a ride on the Atherton S170 last week, I am convinced that the E bike version of this is going to be the EMTB of 26. I get mine in April really looking forward to it.
 
Citylad77 said:
I am sure that they will learn by there mistakes, as you say the Gen 4 is really a 24 bike. At that juncture DJI had rocked up at Euro Bike with there Batt and Motor, it was a hard sell at this point from what I am told, so they went down there own route with AMflow, the rest is history like they say. The best EMTB I had ridden with regards the feel, balance , power delivery etc to date is the AMflow, after a ride on the Atherton S170 last week, I am convinced that the E bike version of this is going to be the EMTB of 26. I get mine in April really looking forward to it.
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I think that's a stretch if you're talking about the bike's themselves.
The dji system is great, the amflow is just a stumpjumper knock off. It's a fine trail bike, but doesn't compare well to stuff like the druid e, lte, crafty, or a great number of other bikes. I'd put it near the bottom of the list honestly, once you're over the motor performance.
I'd disagree with the atherton too, in the larger sizes at least. The size 12 that I borrowed for a few runs at sunpeaks was a finely crafted bike with great suspension, and a terrible weight distribution. Absolutely terrifying cornering manners in dry, loose over hardpack conditions. The owner would not give my dreadnought back. And rented a dh bike for the next day. He said he liked it for the conditions back home where speeds were slower, and trails tighter. I walked away reminded of why I do not buy bikes with 435mm chainstays anymore.
 
ntm95 said:
I think that's a stretch if you're talking about the bike's themselves.
The dji system is great, the amflow is just a stumpjumper knock off. It's a fine trail bike, but doesn't compare well to stuff like the druid e, lte, crafty, or a great number of other bikes. I'd put it near the bottom of the list honestly, once you're over the motor performance.
I'd disagree with the atherton too, in the larger sizes at least. The size 12 that I borrowed for a few runs at sunpeaks was a finely crafted bike with great suspension, and a terrible weight distribution. Absolutely terrifying cornering manners in dry, loose over hardpack conditions. The owner would not give my dreadnought back. And rented a dh bike for the next day. He said he liked it for the conditions back home where speeds were slower, and trails tighter. I walked away reminded of why I do not buy bikes with 435mm chainstays anymore.
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I agree there is nothing special about the AMflow frame. But it just works so well. I rode a Size 8 in the Atherton., which fits perfectly. Yeah, I know what you mean about the DJI motor and battery, it’s so smooth. Yet to see a single bad review of any Atherton bike, I know of a development rider for a major brand that has one as his own bike. Same for a ex F1 designer that now works in the MTB industry. Interesting on the Druid the shop I use for AMflow says it’s best setup todate of the DJi unit.
 
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ntm95 said:
I think that's a stretch if you're talking about the bike's themselves.
The dji system is great, the amflow is just a stumpjumper knock off. It's a fine trail bike, but doesn't compare well to stuff like the druid e, lte, crafty, or a great number of other bikes. I'd put it near the bottom of the list honestly, once you're over the motor performance.
I'd disagree with the atherton too, in the larger sizes at least. The size 12 that I borrowed for a few runs at sunpeaks was a finely crafted bike with great suspension, and a terrible weight distribution. Absolutely terrifying cornering manners in dry, loose over hardpack conditions. The owner would not give my dreadnought back. And rented a dh bike for the next day. He said he liked it for the conditions back home where speeds were slower, and trails tighter. I walked away reminded of why I do not buy bikes with 435mm chainstays anymore.
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Was it an A-Series or M-Series you rode? Curious how DW6 or DW4 compared with the HP Dread and if it just geo or the suspension differences you were noticing.
 
slickrock said:
Was it an A-Series or M-Series you rode? Curious how DW6 or DW4 compared with the HP Dread and if it just geo or the suspension differences you were noticing.
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A170, the detail work on the lug construction was really cool.
Suspension performance was comparable if not better, the d2’s strong suit is not really its suspension performance, its geo is amazing though.
Stack was a bit low on the a170.
It’d be a much better bike with a longer rear end in my opinion, but dw does seem to have issues with longer chainstays, so not sure that’s entirely possible.
The owner had the same comments without being prompted. The d2’s geo allowed (a lot) more corner speed in the late season, drier, low traction conditions. He liked the a170 more on the straight line steep tech that one picks their way down over multiple ledges and steps. I still preferred the d2 there, probably from familiarity and the confidence to carry more speed through those sections.
(Smitty’s steeps, for anyone familiar with the area).
After renting a commencal supreme v5 the next day, he mentioned he would not bother travelling with the a170 again.
 
Powerslider said:
I like that guy's reviews but I hope people realize he used a LBS' Levo 4 Comp demo bike that had significant miles on it. Doesn't negate much of his opinions, but feel he'd have a more favorable impression if he rode a new Levo Expert or higher trim.
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He also used an Aluminium VALA which is quite heavy...
 
Powerslider said:
I believe the fork difference is about 1/2 lb. The 600Wh battery is vapor so that's difficult to estimate but probably around -2.5lb or a bit more savings.
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Was hoping for that 600Wh battery to buy Levo4... Still not available almost one year later... 😕
 
Powerslider said:
I like that guy's reviews but I hope people realize he used a LBS' Levo 4 Comp demo bike that had significant miles on it. Doesn't negate much of his opinions, but feel he'd have a more favorable impression if he rode a new Levo Expert or higher trim.
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My understanding is that color (gloss birch/taupe) Levo frame is the warranty frame replacement color.
 
ntm95 said:
A170, the detail work on the lug construction was really cool.
Suspension performance was comparable if not better, the d2’s strong suit is not really its suspension performance, its geo is amazing though.
Stack was a bit low on the a170.
It’d be a much better bike with a longer rear end in my opinion, but dw does seem to have issues with longer chainstays, so not sure that’s entirely possible.
The owner had the same comments without being prompted. The d2’s geo allowed (a lot) more corner speed in the late season, drier, low traction conditions. He liked the a170 more on the straight line steep tech that one picks their way down over multiple ledges and steps. I still preferred the d2 there, probably from familiarity and the confidence to carry more speed through those sections.
(Smitty’s steeps, for anyone familiar with the area).
After renting a commencal supreme v5 the next day, he mentioned he would not bother travelling with the a170 again.
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jeanmarc said:
Was hoping for that 600Wh battery to buy Levo4... Still not available almost one year later... 😕
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Apparently it’s coming on the new bike so I was told along with the following updates and different shocks. Its still Gen 4 frames though.

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Deleted member 37410 said:
When a no-name brand "Amflow" comes out with their first bike, a 45 lbs 800 WH bike with the most powerful motor yet, people expect market leaders like Specialized to match them. When they instead went the other way, and made the next gen slightly heavier, I think the reaction to call it heavy is pretty rational. Its heavy compared to the new benchmark, when previously Specialized were the benchmark

That said I like my heavy kenevo and would not trade it for an Amflow, there are other qualities
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Roflol
 
That isn't too bad. My Shuttle AM is 51 lbs stock so definitely a few lbs lighter but 53 is not terrible. Not that any eMTB is going to handle as well and be as much fun to handle as a regular MTB (especially downhill or in really rocky sections where you have to pedal) but one gets used to it and adjusts accordingly. I ride both my Shuttle, an Ibis Ripmo, and a Trek Top Fuel. The Ripmo is probably the best handling and fastest downhill but the Shuttle is not too far behind. So you get use to a 50lb+ MTB and it becomes pretty normal. I have been riding eMTBs for the last 5-6 years and regular MTBs for 25 years.

All my downhill PRs are on regular MTBs...I brake much later for corners and I can fly off berms and bumps easier and faster. Still, I am very used to the 51 lb Shuttle and am not too far behind. The fun factor is certainly lower as it feels like it is grinding into the ground versus floating over it more. I have ridden a Levo a few times...they feel a bit heavier than my Shuttle- maybe even more front heavy but you get used to the weight distribution if that is all you ride.
 
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