Specialized M1 battery for Levo Gen1, improved capacity 576 Wh, same weight :-)

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I don't know how many of you still use a Levo Gen1 these days, but I've still kept my Gen1 in good condition and I'm still enjoying it.

I've experimented with Specialized electronics in the past and have successfully unlocked the BMS and reused the battery after a repair or a complete cell replacement. See my other posts in this forum or pedelecforum.de .

I'm currently testing a battery prototype with higher-capacity cells in the same housing. The BMS firmware is also being adjusted to ensure the battery functions properly (capacity parameters, OCV SoC tables, etc.). I'm still in the testing phase as this will take lots of time, but it looks promising.

As for the cell replacement, I used custom laser cut pure nickel tabs like the factory build. Spot welder used was K-weld. Although I have many spot welders, for small to medium battery packs, it's one of the best.


So far, I've completed 14 cycles, and everything's been fine. No cell imbalance, no heating. I tested in turbo mode, without any restrictions, discharging to 5%. The voltage drop at full load (approx. 20 amps) is quite good. Time will tell how long this wonder will hold.


Cell used: highest available capacity in 18650 format (BMZ/Terrae 42E). I've managed to get some samples from a friend in Poland. But that's about it, I cannot source the cells from somewhere else. Before this, I would have thought the cells are fake(most info googled reveal 3500/3600mAh max capacity for 18650 except x star and or nitecore), but it seems they're not. Measured capacity between 3940 and 3970mAh. Internal resistance a bit better than Samsung 35E. Indeed, these are special cells.

BMZ/Terrae also have a 21700 cell with 6000mAh capacity(Terrae 62e1). I'd imagine if I have those, I will start building a 840Wh prototype, for Levo gen2/3, under 4kg :-)

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Let me know what you think. Anybody here knows a way to buy those cells from BMZ?

links of interest:
18650 4000mAh
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21700 6000mAh
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I don't know how many of you still use a Levo Gen1 these days, but I've still kept my Gen1 in good condition and I'm still enjoying it.

I've experimented with Specialized electronics in the past and have successfully unlocked the BMS and reused the battery after a repair or a complete cell replacement. See my other posts in this forum or pedelecforum.de .

I'm currently testing a battery prototype with higher-capacity cells in the same housing. The BMS firmware is also being adjusted to ensure the battery functions properly (capacity parameters, OCV SoC tables, etc.). I'm still in the testing phase as this will take lots of time, but it looks promising.

As for the cell replacement, I used custom laser cut pure nickel tabs like the factory build. Spot welder used was K-weld. Although I have many spot welders, for small to medium battery packs, it's one of the best.


So far, I've completed 14 cycles, and everything's been fine. No cell imbalance, no heating. I tested in turbo mode, without any restrictions, discharging to 5%. The voltage drop at full load (approx. 20 amps) is quite good. Time will tell how long this wonder will hold.


Cell used: highest available capacity in 18650 format (BMZ/Terrae 42E). I've managed to get some samples from a friend in Poland. But that's about it, I cannot source the cells from somewhere else. Before this, I would have thought the cells are fake(most info googled reveal 3500/3600mAh max capacity for 18650 except x star and or nitecore), but it seems they're not. Measured capacity between 3940 and 3970mAh. Internal resistance a bit better than Samsung 35E. Indeed, these are special cells.

BMZ/Terrae also have a 21700 cell with 6000mAh capacity(Terrae 62e1). I'd imagine if I have those, I will start building a 840Wh prototype, for Levo gen2/3, under 4kg :)

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Let me know what you think. Anybody here knows a way to buy those cells from BMZ?

links of interest:
18650 4000mAh
-
21700 6000mAh
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Wow you know what your doing, very impressive. Thanks for all the info. I still ride my gen 1 and think its a great bike, but if i needed a new battery i can buy new for $450. I imagine you have a fireproof charging and storage container for your experiments and a couple garbage cans full of sand neaby. ;) good luck.
 
Wow you know what your doing, very impressive. Thanks for all the info. I still ride my gen 1 and think its a great bike, but if i needed a new battery i can buy new for $450. I imagine you have a fireproof charging and storage container for your experiments and a couple garbage cans full of sand neaby. ;) good luck.
Thanks. Project started as a hobby a while ago but developed into a reliable repair/refurbish service at small scale.
I have all the tools needed to do the job safely but it depends on who is using/how is using the tools.
Working with Li ion can be dangerous if you don't have the proper knowledge. Many things are :-)
In this particular project, I didn't use anything outside specifications (except Specialized nominal capacity).

I know in US they have a good price for M1 (maybe they want to sell the remaining stock before degrading) but getting one in Europe will almost double the price, and with all the customs hassle, it's not an option.
I can do a full rebuild of a worn M1 battery for 350EUR using the same cells Specialized used on 504Wh model. It will basically be a new battery in an old case.
 
New cells under the sun, this time from Molicel…


Specs are insane. For example, it means that at least in theory it’s possible to make a 900+ Wh battery for gen2/3 Levo significantly more capable and more reliable(longer cell lifespan) than factory. That would easily beat newest Levo gen4 battery in terms of power density, energy density, lifespan.
 
Hi, do you still perform this upgrade for Specialized M1 batteries?

I have a 2019 Turbo Kenevo and it's otherwise 5/5 but the battery starts to show some degradation. Battery capacity 90% and around 30km routes take 95% of the battery with 400 ascending. I wouldn't mind the extra 72 Wh in the battery.
 
Yes, I can rebuild/upgrade M1 batteries. But starting from beginning of September as I'm out of town until then.
 
Some updates:

M1 battery I've upgraded months ago is still running fine, with 98% health after approx 50 cycles. Used mostly in turbo, on everyday commuting and some all mountain weekend rides.

M2/3 battery prototype (850Wh) for gen2/3 Levo is almost ready and will go in testing/fine tuning phase. I will start a new thread with it in the upcoming days.
 
Some updates:

M2/3 battery prototype (850Wh) for gen2/3 Levo is almost ready and will go in testing/fine tuning phase. I will start a new thread with it in the upcoming days.
Cool! Would this also remain same weight as the 700wh?
 
Cool! Would this also remain same weight as the 700wh?
Not the same but pretty close. I estimate around 80-100g extra weight. We'll see the exact numbers when I have the complete package installed in the housing.
 
Hi. I'm using my 2017 bike with a 504Wh battery but I managed to fit a second identical battery to the frame in its original housing. The bike weighed 23kg before the modification, so after adding the battery it weighs about 26kg.I've been driving mostly turbo since then and the batteries handle it well. I didn't have to change the cells, but I added diodes to the outputs of both batteries before connecting them to the motor. The bike rides beautifully.
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Hi, how do you tune the BMS after replacing the batteries? I got same issues here in the Philippines.
 
Hi Cream,

What happen to the BMS when it is disconnected from the battery? Will it lock out? Also, what is your BMS application we can use? I have the Specialized Diagnostic Tool but I do not have the application software.

Please advise.

Kind regards.
 
Hi Cream,

What happen to the BMS when it is disconnected from the battery? Will it lock out? Also, what is your BMS application we can use? I have the Specialized Diagnostic Tool but I do not have the application software.

Please advise.

Kind regards.
It can enter Permanent Failure mode. It's best to prevent MCU from running the firmware while you remove/install the BMS to a battery pack. on M1 BMS, you do that by bridging reset button with a jumper wire while working on the BMS/battery pack.

I'm using my own software tools for working with the BMS firmware. You can't do much with Specialized dealer app other than update or make a diagnostic report/readout.
 
Hi Cream,

Thanks for the reply, really appreciate it.x would it be possible to send over the BMS board to you over courier and have it unlocked and rebuild for a higher capacity? We will assemble the needed battery packs locally as these are not permitted to be shipped thru carrier. You may reach me out at [email protected].

Please advise.
 
Hi. I'm using my 2017 bike with a 504Wh battery but I managed to fit a second identical battery to the frame in its original housing. The bike weighed 23kg before the modification, so after adding the battery it weighs about 26kg.I've been driving mostly turbo since then and the batteries handle it well. I didn't have to change the cells, but I added diodes to the outputs of both batteries before connecting them to the motor. The bike rides beautifully. View attachment 169777View attachment 169778
Hi,

May I ask what is the application software you used for the battery parameters?

Kind regards.
 
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