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Next Generation: Forestal Siryon

All new 2020 Forestal Siryon E-Mountain Bike has next generation levels of integration and connectivity in a super light weight package.

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  1. Ah Bafang do the motor. This is clearly an ‘exclusive’ package for Forestal but will be interesting to see if they will team up with other bike companies. Currently for smaller manufacturers Shimano seem to be the go to.

    As for the whole bike, it really shakes things up if what they claim is true. Thing is, like you Rob, it sounds a little too good to be true. However, competition is good and I hope they deliver.

  2. Ah Bafang do the motor. This is clearly an ‘exclusive’ package for Forestal but will be interesting to see if they will team up with other bike companies. Currently for smaller manufacturers Shimano seem to be the go to.

    As for the whole bike, it really shakes things up if what they claim is true. Thing is, like you Rob, it sounds a little too good to be true. However, competition is good and I hope they deliver.

    They seem super confident. I wonder how well the screen / software etc works, that kind of integration requires a lot of development! And to get it down to 17.4 KG with coil shock, screen, 170mm DVO fork…. fingers crossed!

  3. They seem super confident. I wonder how well the screen / software etc works, that kind of integration requires a lot of development! And to get it down to 17.4 KG with coil shock, screen, 170mm DVO fork…. fingers crossed!

    Hats off to them for the vision and the ambition to deliver. They could have just had the motor and a low weight and that would have been a headline grabber alone.

    It’s possible the current situation slows development in the EMTB industry this year as testing time will get impacted however, that’s across the board.

  4. I guess Cedric asked for an Ebike with mid school DH bike geometry and weight but slightly less travel and the facility to watch pornhub on the climbs.
  5. This is what the industry needs. Not another boutique brand bolting on an E8000 motor, this is real development
  6. I guess Cedric asked for an Ebike with mid school DH bike geometry and weight but slightly less travel and the facility to watch pornhub on the climbs.

    No comment on the single pivot? (Albeit with linkage). You disappoint me @Gary 😁

  7. No comment on the single pivot? (Albeit with linkage). You disappoint me @Gary 😁

    commented enough elsewhere on (my own) rear suspension preferences.
    Plenty of the fastest gravity riders in the world ride single pivot linkage actuated frames.
    I’m fairly confident Forestal will have done their homework on the kinematics

  8. commented enough elsewhere on (my own) rear suspension preferences.
    Plenty of the fastest gravity riders in the world ride single pivot linkage actuated frames.
    I’m fairly confident Forestal will have done their homework on the kinematics

    Damnit man, not rising to the bait 😁. I’m sure they’ve done their testing throughly as you say.

    You might know this, is there a slight weight advantage in a single pivot? I suspect not but who knows.

  9. From the PR:

    The Forestal exclusive and patented Twin Levity suspension system is an engineering masterpiece focused on performance, riding experience and efficiency.
    There are more details about it than what you can see at first sight.

    Twin Levity is based on a single pivot system with key additional linkages that enhance its performance.

    We take the best of all worlds, like simplicity and lightweight, and boost them with the kinematic modifications of our multi-link system. It delivers on every level, from complete custom-engineered performance to total fine-tuning of the shocks.

    Twin Levity is optimized differently for every single size – so the Alpha Box frame design and Twin Levity suspension work harmoniously together. This means that a rider using a size S and a rider using an XL size will have the same weight distribution and the same riding experience, enjoying a perfectly balanced bike and the best possible suspension reactions.

  10. Personally I wouldn’t be putting any sort of downpayment down right now on anything I couldn’t see in the flesh.

    I hope this bike gets to see the light of day, as it looks like a great concept.

  11. It seems from the press release and website that it is multi link based on single pivot. Maybe it has an eccentric single pivot with Horst link for the rear shock mount?
  12. Guess more will be known about this bike in the near future as a reviewable model will be nice. Here is what excites me:

    According to Forestal, the EonDrive, which was developed in collaboration with Bafang, weighs just 1.95 kg and churns out 60 Nm of torque. This is possible thanks to a magnesium housing and the many titanium components. For comparison’s sake: The Specialized Turbo SL 1.1 motor weighs 1.9 kg and has a torque of 30 Nm.

    the 3.2″ touch display integrated in the top tube show all common riding data such as battery capacity and support level, but also works as a navigation device. On top of that, the display relies on all common interfaces, such as Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, ANT +, GPS and 4G, to communicate with external devices. An integrated acceleration and position sensor records and evaluates exciting riding data such as G-forces in berms and airtime on jumps.

    I believe we will see many exciting developments in the future. WOW!

  13. Hmm , interesting ‘spec sheet’. My initial reaction:

    1. Nice idea but I think the last thing I want is a screen integrated into my bike frame. When (not if) it breaks, the entire bike goes back instead of just a separate display.
    2. 4G, good for GPS but that may be a drain on battery.
    3. DVO suspension seems a little low-end? Why do I never see it in tests or round-ups or on any bikes in stores?
    4. The support network for this bike will likely not be mature.

    At the moment everyone seems to be getting super hyped over what is essentially a computer render and lots of tech blurb. This company appears to have no track record of significance and is charging the same price as the established players.

    However, I will say that this is likely a direction the industry is heading eventually, so it’s good to see some actual innovation that may prompt the big players to start moving forward with similar things. :)

  14. I think a lot of effort has been put into this bike, and they have been putting it through it paces in testing for a year now, so I think it will deliver on a lot of its promise – the concern for me would be the real world/day to day usability/reliability/warranty etc of such a new bike systems. Cedric Garcia is sponsored by DVO, hence the suspension tie in.

    This vid is from 5 months ago

  15. I think the first mod I would fit would be a thick flip-up rubber cover over that screen!
  16. Just watched the video. They have some serious backing for this judging by what the ‘factory’ tour and chat with Cedric reveal.

    The current situation worldwide really won’t help get this off the ground though.

    Also their marketing material had two other models listed.

  17. Who wants to buy a 170mm coil bike with 60nm and 17kg

    When you can buy a 12 grand 30nm Levo SL with 150mm and own brand parts.

    These light powerful motors are going to be game changing in the next few years.

  18. These light powerful motors are going to be game changing in the next few years.

    I admire your optimism considering we’re only speculating about an as yet unreleased/unproven motor from a company who so far seems to have more experience in commuter bike motors. And even more so when you consider this may well be one of their first serious goes at proper mtb mid motor territory?
    700g lighter and more durable than than all the current equivalent power/torque output mid mounted emtb motors? Wow! And let’s face it pretty much every one of our current options has durability issues for their actual destined usege.

  19. Agreed. All I’m saying is, let’s see if the walk matches the talk. I’ve already said it sounds too good to be true.
  20. All I’m saying is, let’s see if the walk matches the talk. I’ve already said it sounds too good to be true.

    Looks like some serious investment has gone into this company. There’s actually 3 bikes they’re planning.

  21. These light powerful motors are going to be game changing in the next few years.

    I admire your optimism considering we’re only speculating about an as yet unreleased/unproven motor from a company who so far seems to have more experience in commuter bike motors. And even more so when you consider this may well be one of their first serious goes at proper mtb mid motor territory?
    700g lighter and more durable than than all the current equivalent power/torque output mid mounted emtb motors? Wow! And let’s face it pretty much every one of our current options has durability issues for their actual destined usege.

    Electric motors are seeing record investment from all industry. I think the weight and power are a natural evolution. Reliability will always improve.

    Battery tech is going to be holding everyone back but I think new graphene cells will help with that.

    I’m quite happy with how my YT rides for a few years and I’m sure the kind of bikes in 2 to 3 years will be even better

  22. The Aryon, from a future of transportation/technology perspective not EMTB, might have helped secure that investment. You could imagine the elevator pitch. Like tech companies, Forestal talk is big and the delivery none existent at the start. Typically it’s the US not Europe sees this kind of model of business.

    All this is massive speculation though and I‘m not sure they’ll get many people to bite at the pre-order just yet.

  23. How long have you had out of your E8000 motor so far bro?
    is it a month already?
    :cool:

    Do we really know how seriously Shimano take this side of the business though? We’ll get an indication when they release the EP-8 maybe. They still haven’t addressed the road/gravel (and now “SL”?) market either (EP-9?).

  24. How long have you had out of your E8000 motor so far bro?
    is it a month already?
    :cool:

    Its had 2 decent rides.

    Its clear that the limit is the 15.6mph. It doesnt need any more power and the battery lasts plenty long enough that I’d never want the weight of 700ah.

    The only logical place these are going now is weight saving and smaller batteries whilst pulling less power draw.

  25. The Aryon, from a future of transportation/technology perspective not EMTB, might have helped secure that investment. You could imagine the elevator pitch. Like tech companies, Forestal talk is big and the delivery none existent at the start. Typically it’s the US not Europe sees this kind of model of business.

    All this is massive speculation though and I‘m not sure they’ll get many people to bite at the pre-order just yet.

    This reminds me of the modern Kickstarter projects… a lot of hype and marketing to draw people in.

    The bike won’t even be out until October so I think it’s a little premature to have a video dedicated to raving about it. For all we know it could be extremely disappointing and unreliable when released.

  26. Do we really know how seriously Shimano take this side of the business though?

    I don’t think it’s really about them taking anything seriously (or not).
    Shimano has pretty much stuck with 4 year rotation when launching each new updated groupset level for years now. and with the E6000/7000 and 8000 ranges they still have most bases covered. I think folk here get too carried away and can’t see the bigger picture because they’re so wrapped up in EBIKES R AWESOMEness to even see it.
    also have a think about just how many pricepoints, cycling styles, levels etc. shimano components do actually cover.
    in the grand scheme of it premium high tech parts like Di2 and Ebike motors are still a pretty small share in the shear volume of product Shimano shift year on year..

    I don’t usually comment too often in Rob’s main page article threads as I have a habit of being easily derailled so I’ll STFU now. It’s not like this bike even interests me :cool:

  27. I don’t think it’s really about them taking anything seriously (or not).
    Shimano has pretty much stuck with 4 year rotation when launching each new updated groupset level for years now. and with the E6000/7000 and 8000 ranges they still have most bases covered. I think folk here get too carried away and can’t see the bigger picture because they’re so wrapped up in EBIKES R AWESOMEness to even see it.
    also have a think about just how many pricepoints, cycling styles, levels etc. shimano components do actually cover.
    in the grand scheme of it premium high tech parts like Di2 and Ebike motors are still a pretty small share in the shear volume of product Shimano shift year on year..

    I don’t usually comment too often in Rob’s main page article threads as I have a habit of being easily derailled so I’ll STFU now. It’s not like this bike even interests me :cool:

    By seriously the context I mean is in pure investment of cash. Shimano aren’t currently striking me as ambitious in this regard given the potential size of the pedelec market. Particularly in warmer climes.

  28. Shimano are massive in the Pedlec market, EMTB’s are a very small portion of the overall Pedelec market. The E6000 system is in a ton of bikes

    On all the best products I have used in terms of being brilliant at the purpose it was designed for, is the Shimano DI2 Nexus hub gear system, which is designed to be used with Pedelecs, and can be fully integrated into both Shimano and Bosch motor systems – the ease of use on a hybrid peddle designed for getting from a-b with minimum of fuss is fully nailed down, and all you need to do is lube the chain once in a while. We have it on a bergamot and it can be set to an automatic mode in conjunction with the Bosch EMTB mode of the motor, just turn on the bike and go ride.

    Really to see how good a pedelc can be, the hybrid/touring bikes are where its at in terms of development to see how well these bikes can work as systems. EMTB’s are still in early days, and the challenge of making a bike ride the trails well and handle the abuse of mountain biking combined with the extra stress the motor takes from far more brutal force being put through the cranks and into the motor bearings.

    A British winter would usually see me replacing my BB once a year, the fact that my E8000 made it through 2 winters before blowing up, whilst annoying, is pretty amazing given the abuse it has taken and its a first gen product.

    Personally I thin it would be great if the "BB" of the motors was a serviceable/replacable part.

  29. Who wants to buy a 170mm coil bike with 60nm and 17kg

    When you can buy a 12 grand 30nm Levo SL with 150mm and own brand parts.

    These light powerful motors are going to be game changing in the next few years.

    Unfortunately there is only so far you can go with reducing the weight of a motor whislt also having a usable amount of power. Ultimately heat still has to be dissipated, and we still want it to be well sealed for reliability. What would really revolutionise things would be a step in battery tech, but I still can’t see that happening in ebikes for at least 3-4 years (even if there was one in the coming months it would be swallowed up by automotive and industrial uses before products like ebikes got a look in).

  30. Unfortunately there is only so far you can go with reducing the weight of a motor whislt also having a usable amount of power. Ultimately heat still has to be dissipated, and we still want it to be well sealed for reliability. Wat would really revolutionise things would be a step in battery tech, but I still can’t see that happening in ebikes for at least 3-4 years (even if there was one in the coming months it would be swallowed up by automotive and industrial uses before products like ebikes got a look in).

    For the moment the industry is just innovating on packaging and trade offs within that. That’s ok for now as everyone does that when building their own bike anyway. It’s nice to not have every bike now making the same trade offs.

    I do find the weight claim hard to believe though. Especially as DVO kit (inc. coil!) hasn’t so far been featherweight.

  31. They could easily make it lighter without the pointless coil shock etc.

    I’m sure that bafang motor will end up in a more known brand at some point next year.

  32. A coil shock is now pointless in the mountains of Andora when half the Ebikers in Swinley seem to be craving them?
    Things have certainly escalated here ;)
    :LOL:
  33. A coil shock is now pointless in the mountains of Andora when half the Ebikers in Swinley seem to be craving them?
    Things have certainly escalated here ;)
    [emoji38]

    It’s just a fad. 9/10 wouldnt even know why they would want one other than they look cool.

    Personally I cant be bothered with the fixed spring given my weight can fluctuate 10kg over a year depending on how many holidays I go on!

  34. Yeah, cause fucking around with a shock pump and re-setting sag height after every big meal is waaaay less greif than undoing 2 bolts, winding a threaded collar and swapping a springa couple of times a year. :unsure:

    Air and coil both have their metitsand downsides mate.
    Not all of us are clueless fashion victims with bottomless pockets.

    Now where did I put my gucci manbag?

  35. Air and coil both have their metitsand downsides mate.
    Not all of us are clueless fashion victims with bottomless pockets.

    Now where did I put my gucci manbag?

    I wouldn’t knock us clueless fashion victims. We‘re always happy to pay for a good mechanic at some point 😂

  36. Yeah, cause fucking around with a shock pump and re-setting sag height after every big meal is waaaay less greif than undoing 2 bolts, winding a threaded collar and swapping a springa couple of times a year. :unsure:

    Air and coil both have their metitsand downsides mate.
    Not all of us are clueless fashion victims with bottomless pockets.

    Now where did I put my gucci manbag?

    No doubt.

    But the reality for most ….. [emoji90]

  37. How does the 51v 350wh battery compare to the 36v 700wh Levo battery overall?

    51v system is more efficient. Less heat and potentially higher draw rate. They use more cells to get higher voltage. 36v can use less cells for larger energy capacity in a given space.

    It’s possible that the smaller motor needs more voltage to get the higher power out of it.

  38. Forestal is a powerful company. There’s Russian capital behind.

    That makes some sense. I’d actually taken an educated guess that this was backed by the Saudis given their love of technology and electric car companies like Tesla. Mind you both the Russians and Saudis need to transition from fossil fuels in a relatively short period of time (20 years).

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