USA deliveries of PX?

[JetSedgwick]

In the USA, I've asked dealers about when to expect deliveries of the PX carbon bikes. Does anyone know when they are expected to arrive in the USA?

 

[B-man]

I talked with Amflow and they said this summer and thats all they would say.

 

[JetSedgwick]

I talked with Amflow and they said this summer and thats all they would say.

That's disappointing.

 

[JetSedgwick]

I just called my local bike shop, and they told me the end of June for USA deliveries.

 

[JetSedgwick]

Now I'm being told July

 

[Powerslider]

I know a guy who likes to say, the best ability is availability.

 

[B-man]

Now I'm being told July

Yep and no idea on battery extender. I sorta lost my love for Amflow after this. Why advertise for something that you cant deliver for 3-4 months?

 

[nowayfra]

All asseccoires for every country are out of stock on amflowbikes.com

 

[levity]

Want an Avinox M2S bike now from a well supported US brand and shop?

Pivot AMP’D

 

[Ekim]

Yep and no idea on battery extender. I sorta lost my love for Amflow after this. Why advertise for something that you cant deliver for 3-4 months?

Yeah, I’m seeing other bikes becoming available that are comparable to the Amflo bikes. I’m going to be paying more but I’m okay with that.

 

[Robson]

Now I'm being told July

I'm being told the same i europe. First week in July

 

[Kr1s]

I'm in China. Our own country hasn't started selling yet. Selling won't happen until mid-to-late June at the earliest, because those other full vehicle brands have ordered too many motors, resulting in a severe shortage of production capacity.

 

[Larsey]

US website went from “out of stock” in red to “reserve now”. So maybe they are close?

 

[B-man]

Im not reserving or buying an Amflow until the extender is available.

 

[Suns_PSD]

Not diving in to the political thing, but I must say that the new Amflows look quite amazing actually. 3-4 years ago, they would have been the best e-bike available imo (not even consideringthe motor system, just the chassis).

Are they signficantly cheaper than say a Pivot? For me, they would need to be to offset the history of denied frame warranties, limited local support and the lack of brand heritage.

 

[F4Flyer]

Definitely need an extender and good customer support stories.

 

[JetSedgwick]

spoke with LBS, they had no new info, late July was the best guess.

 

[Powerslider]

Not diving in to the political thing, but I must say that the new Amflows look quite amazing actually. 3-4 years ago, they would have been the best e-bike available imo (not even consideringthe motor system, just the chassis).

Are they signficantly cheaper than say a Pivot? For me, they would need to be to offset the history of denied frame warranties, limited local support and the lack of brand heritage.

When I compare the Pivot Amp’d I’d buy against the PX Pro there’s an $1800 difference. When you consider the looks, components, legacy, and US ownership, I’m going Amp’d all day. It’s worth $1800 to me.

 

[PSeMTB]

Yeah, PX Pro all the way with the new custom battery cells. PR is not even a consideration for me. Look here to understand.

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No other bikes have this custom battery like the PX (other than Atherton).

 

[DirkWisely]

When I compare the Pivot Amp’d I’d buy against the PX Pro there’s an $1800 difference. When you consider the looks, components, legacy, and US ownership, I’m going Amp’d all day. It’s worth $1800 to me.

Do we know Amflox vs Pivot support record? Locally I have the same # of Amflow and Pivot dealers (one), but I suspect the number of Amflow dealers will grow, while Pivot will not.

 

[Brawwp]

When I compare the Pivot Amp’d I’d buy against the PX Pro there’s an $1800 difference. When you consider the looks, components, legacy, and US ownership, I’m going Amp’d all day. It’s worth $1800 to me.

I posted that video of the guy that rode both back to back and preferred the amflow px. But I agree with you, I’d go with the pivot just for being US and in the game longer. Both seem like great bikes though. For you especially being an AZ guy!

 

[Ndanger]

Delays in the availability of Amflow products and my thoughts on Professional courtesy… So here are some thoughts on supply-chain politics, and possibly how it plays out in the tech and bike industries.

While Avonix hasn't explicitly stated "we are delaying Amflow to be nice to our partners," looking at their corporate structure and the market realities suggests that managing partner relationships and market timing is potentially central to their strategy.Here is a breakdown of why staggering the rollout makes perfect strategic sense for them, both to protect their B2B (business-to-business) motor sales and to secure their own footprint.

If Avinox launched the Amflow PR and PX worldwide with massive inventory before their B2B customers could even get their own Avinox-powered bikes feet on the ground, it would look like a predatory move. By staggering the rollout, Avinox gives outside bike brands the breathing room to engineer, test, and market their own flagship frames around the Avinox drive unit. It would show the marketplace and partners that they arn’t trying to immediately cannibalize the high-end eMTB market, but is instead acting as a stable, long-term tech supplier.

The motor system is revolutionary, yes I believe it is a game changing product, especially one hitting 120Nm of torque at such a low weight, The demand will be high causing manufacturing constraints. If there is a bottleneck in producing the Avinox M1/M2 drive units or the highly integrated 600Wh/800Wh and now a very unique 700 wh battery, a supplier will almost always prioritize fulfilling contracts for their premium global B2B clients first. Delays in specific Amflow markets would be the logistical byproduct of making sure their flagship partners get their production allotments on time, keeping those external relationships healthy.

A byproduct of a delay is scarcity, also known as Scarcity Marketing (or the Scarcity Principle). At its core, In behavioral economics, this is tied to loss aversion (the pain of losing out is twice as powerful as the pleasure of gaining.

 

[Brawwp]

Delays in the availability of Amflow products and my thoughts on Professional courtesy… So here are some thoughts on supply-chain politics, and possibly how it plays out in the tech and bike industries.

While Avonix hasn't explicitly stated "we are delaying Amflow to be nice to our partners," looking at their corporate structure and the market realities suggests that managing partner relationships and market timing is potentially central to their strategy.Here is a breakdown of why staggering the rollout makes perfect strategic sense for them, both to protect their B2B (business-to-business) motor sales and to secure their own footprint.

If Avinox launched the Amflow PR and PX worldwide with massive inventory before their B2B customers could even get their own Avinox-powered bikes feet on the ground, it would look like a predatory move. By staggering the rollout, Avinox gives outside bike brands the breathing room to engineer, test, and market their own flagship frames around the Avinox drive unit. It would show the marketplace and partners that they arn’t trying to immediately cannibalize the high-end eMTB market, but is instead acting as a stable, long-term tech supplier.

The motor system is revolutionary, yes I believe it is a game changing product, especially one hitting 120Nm of torque at such a low weight, The demand will be high causing manufacturing constraints. If there is a bottleneck in producing the Avinox M1/M2 drive units or the highly integrated 600Wh/800Wh and now a very unique 700 wh battery, a supplier will almost always prioritize fulfilling contracts for their premium global B2B clients first. Delays in specific Amflow markets would be the logistical byproduct of making sure their flagship partners get their production allotments on time, keeping those external relationships healthy.

A byproduct of a delay is scarcity, also known as Scarcity Marketing (or the Scarcity Principle). At its core, In behavioral economics, this is tied to loss aversion (the pain of losing out is twice as powerful as the pleasure of gaining.

Pretty nice of them if true. From a business standpoint I’d think if they are truly both owned by dji (Avinox/amflow) it’d be most profitable to be first to drop the amflow to get the profit from both the bike and motor vs motor only profit, then worry about the others. Right now Avinox is selling itself, so they don’t really need to cater to bike brands to carry their product. We’re seeing random bike companies we’ve never even heard of blow up in popularity just for having an Avinox motor on them.

I hope Bosch and spesh release something soon. I honestly don’t like that it feels bike drops without Avinox just don’t have the same hit right now. Look at the new ibis and Marin bikes. It kinda feels like “who cares” and then you got some random companies dropping probably worse bikes with Avinox blowing up.

 

[Ndanger]

Pretty nice of them if true. From a business standpoint I’d think if they are truly both owned by dji (Avinox/amflow) it’d be most profitable to be first to drop the amflow to get the profit from both the bike and motor vs motor only profit, then worry about the others. Right now Avinox is selling itself, so they don’t really need to cater to bike brands to carry their product. We’re seeing random bike companies we’ve never even heard of blow up in popularity just for having an Avinox motor on them.

I hope Bosch and spesh release something soon. I honestly don’t like that it feels bike drops without Avinox just don’t have the same hit right now. Look at the new ibis and Marin bikes. It kinda feels like “who cares” and then you got some random companies dropping probably worse bikes with Avinox blowing up.

Yes, it would make for an astronomically huge profit potential (Short Term).

Could possible professional courtesy be also part of the approach of looking at a market not as a pie and competitors taking a piece of the pie but more "market penetration" which would be a bigger overall potential gain long term.

In my business (telecommunications) one of the most important concepts in high-level business strategy is the power of coopetition (cooperative competition) and the mindset of expanding the pie rather than just fighting over the existing slices.

 

[Brawwp]

Yes, it would make for an astronomically huge profit potential (Short Term).

Could possible professional courtesy be also part of the approach of looking at a market not as a pie and competitors taking a piece of the pie but more "market penetration" which would be a bigger overall potential gain long term.

In my business (telecommunications) one of the most important concepts in high-level business strategy is the power of coopetition (cooperative competition) and the mindset of expanding the pie rather than just fighting over the existing slices.

Yeah probably doesn’t hurt to have a good reputation of being easy to work with and getting product to the other bike manufacturers on time as well. Keeping the same motor and battery mounts between all 3 of their motors was also a killer move to help bike companies in their frame designs. Pretty crazy how much they’re crushing it right now.

 

[Powerslider]

I posted that video of the guy that rode both back to back and preferred the amflow px. But I agree with you, I’d go with the pivot just for being US and in the game longer. Both seem like great bikes though. For you especially being an AZ guy!

Apologize for veering off topic but… It’s bananas how many people ride Pivot here. Unquestionably the most popular brand I see around. I’ve never tried one though. With my shock going in for service next week I looked to see if Pivot HQ was demoing Amp’ds yet, but the whole reservation system was blank (for everything). Weird.

 

[Powerslider]

Pretty nice of them if true. From a business standpoint I’d think if they are truly both owned by dji (Avinox/amflow) it’d be most profitable to be first to drop the amflow to get the profit from both the bike and motor vs motor only profit, then worry about the others. Right now Avinox is selling itself, so they don’t really need to cater to bike brands to carry their product. We’re seeing random bike companies we’ve never even heard of blow up in popularity just for having an Avinox motor on them.

I hope Bosch and spesh release something soon. I honestly don’t like that it feels bike drops without Avinox just don’t have the same hit right now. Look at the new ibis and Marin bikes. It kinda feels like “who cares” and then you got some random companies dropping probably worse bikes with Avinox blowing up.

I hear ya, but the factor that needs to be considered is the agreement made by Avinox to the third-party manufacturers. Obviously I’m not privy to the agreements, but I’d bet three months salary that Avinox’s ability to supply a specific minimum number of powertrain units in a specified time was in the contracts. It would be hugely deficient for leadership to design and manufacture bikes without concrete knowledge of the flow of such a critical component.

 

[Brawwp]

Apologize for veering off topic but… It’s bananas how many people ride Pivot here. Unquestionably the most popular brand I see around. I’ve never tried one though. With my shock going in for service next week I looked to see if Pivot HQ was demoing Amp’ds yet, but the whole reservation system was blank (for everything). Weird.

Dang. I’d very much look forward to your review on it after you get to demo one. They’re beautiful bikes for sure. A guy I ride with just got the shuttle lt and man that thing is nice.

 

[EMTB718]

Didn't Avinox already released their PX models in Europe and other countries? Pretty much same time as other brand ebike with Avinox motors?

 

[RickBullotta]

Do we know Amflox vs Pivot support record? Locally I have the same # of Amflow and Pivot dealers (one), but I suspect the number of Amflow dealers will grow, while Pivot will not.

If you're in the USA, that's exactly why you SHOULD go with a Pivot. I've had nothing but extraordinary support from Pivot (I've owned 5+ Pivots over the years) and support on my Amflow has been, well, sketchy at best. Good luck trying to buy spare parts in the USA for the Amflow.