Avinox Smart Front Light

[iamandisykes]

Hi guys, I managed to get my hands on an Avinox Smart Front Light from Amflow and fitted to my Teewing Turbo Force. Overall its an ok light, but perhaps not something I would want to use by itself for serious night rides. It is super easy to fit though and the smart controls are really useful. Check out my video here:

 

[curufinwe_wins]

Almost 6mo later, after a paper launch at the beginning of the year, North America is **still** waiting for literally any lights that connect to the micro-f (avinox) connector.

 

[dreys]

Almost 6mo later, after a paper launch at the beginning of the year, North America is **still** waiting for literally any lights that connect to the micro-f (avinox) connector.

I don't get the fascination with sub-par Avinox light

Get Outbound or any other light that charges through MicroUSB, connect to Avinox display and you're all set. Much better light at the end of day.

 

[curufinwe_wins]

I don't get the fascination with sub-par Avinox light

Get Outbound or any other light that charges through MicroUSB, connect to Avinox display and you're all set. Much better light at the end of day.

Except its a much worse light because its connected through an exposed non-IP protected connection that is also ludicrously more fragile and not meaningfully replaceable if the display breaks

 

[B-man]

How many lumens is the light?

 

[curufinwe_wins]

How many lumens is the light?

I think its only like 1200 lumens on. Its not an amazing light, but its seamlessly integrated into the default controls and actually protected connector wise (i still dont understand what DJI was thinking when they put the usb-c port on the most fragile and valuable part of the bike sticking straight up).

If outbound and others would get off their asses and just offer the connector that is protected instead, that would also be fine with me.

Supernova offers it in europe but not in the US as far as I can tell.

 

[dreys]

Except its a much worse light because its connected through an exposed non-IP protected connection that is also ludicrously more fragile and not meaningfully replaceable if the display breaks

99.99% of the time you don't need to connect the light, battery will last quite a bit. But in cases when you need to charge, that's an option.

And yes, your bike's battery in most cases will drain way sooner than light's battery.

 

[curufinwe_wins]

99.99% of the time you don't need to connect the light, battery will last quite a bit. But in cases when you need to charge, that's an option.

And yes, your bike's battery in most cases will drain way sooner than light's battery.

To be clear and obvious, I have numerous lights that plug in via usb already. Its a terrible solution all the way around. Either keep them plugged in between rides and burn down the batteries or don't and half the time they are near dead by the time you start. Plus they become unnecessarily heavy, expensive, and tend to have more faffy mounts (as they have to be since they are designed to be removed repeatedly). Outbounds lights are great lights, but its still a bad solution.

Every dyi ebike I've made ive added hardwired lighting and I've never once regretted that. One less thing to charge, proper handlebar controls, fixed solid mounts, irrelevant battery impacts. I don't need even 1200 lm 99.99% of the time

 

[Polar]

Not impressed with the beam pattern and it looks like a Supernova knock off. Supernova gives a much better beam pattern.

 

[curufinwe_wins]

Not impressed with the beam pattern and it looks like a Supernova knock off. Supernova gives a much better beam pattern.

Its such a blatant similarity, and supernova is the **only** other company ive seen selling lights with the connector that I'd be pretty confident Supernova actually designed it instead.

 

[Polar]

Its such a blatant similarity, and supernova is the **only** other company ive seen selling lights with the connector that I'd be pretty confident Supernova actually designed it instead.

It's not about the connector which easily could be changed but beam pattern.

 

[Fangs2k]

Its such a blatant similarity, and supernova is the **only** other company ive seen selling lights with the connector that I'd be pretty confident Supernova actually designed it instead.

Supernova make cables so that their own lights can connect to the Avinox system, same as they do for Bosch and Specialized etc.

No idea if the Avinox Smartlight is licensed from Supernova or not, or whether it’s just ‘inspired by’ their offerings, I guess nobody is saying.

 

[curufinwe_wins]

It's not about the connector which easily could be changed but beam pattern.

I hear you, but the housing is sooooo identical and just by random coincidence Supernova is *also* the very first besides DJI to offer that connector? The beam pattern is even more trivially changed than the connector. Its just different shaped micro-shaped optics infront of the same led array.

It's not strong evidence, but it is still evidence that there is more than just IP theft around lol.

Supernova make cables so that their own lights can connect to the Avinox system, same as they do for Bosch and Specialized etc.

No idea if the Avinox Smartlight is licensed from Supernova or not, or whether it’s just ‘inspired by’ their offerings, I guess nobody is saying.

I know, but almost no one else is offering that yet either. So it's plausible that partnership worked both ways here.

 

[action99]

On this topic, anyone knows of a light WITHOUT battery that you can power via USB-C, I would like to have a "safety" light to put in my backpack in case darks reach me while on trail but should be lightweight so without battery is better?

I use a big (and heavy) magicshinge for night rides.

 

[B-man]

I can tell all you guys are young. 1200 Lumens is not bad. Back in the day we rode some pretty insane trails with 500-600 lumens.

How would the Smartlight and a 1500-2000 be on the helmet for rowdy trails?

 

[iamandisykes]

The MB6 by Full on Lighting is a much better light for proper off-road riding at night, my only concern is the USB connection and letting water in. Here's a test of the light I did in comparison to the Avinox smart light.

 

[Understater]

I have questions about the Avinox light.

I am making my own light for my Amflow. I have sourced the correct cable that attaches to the internal plug. It has four wires and I really need to know whether it uses all four, or whether two of them are redundant. I have plugged it into the bike and put a multimeter across the wires, but I can only measure the voltage. I am getting voltage across the red and black wire and the red and blue wire, but nothing when I attach the positive to the green wire.

In order to be sure of what I am doing I would really like to know what the inside of the Avinox light looks like.

Does it have any driver circuitry inside the light, or is all that coming from the bike itself?

Does the light use different leds for the high and low beam, or is it just delivering different current to the same leds through the same wires.

I am really hoping that the green wire is not a signal wire communicating with an onboard driver, as that will royally muck up my plans.

Anyone willing to open a light and have a look for me?

FYI my googler says I should be able to get around 2.5k lumens on high beam from 3 XM-L3s wired in series from the 17 watts that the bike can deliver on high beam.... not the brightest light I have made, but should be quite adequate as a bar light.

 

[B-man]

Personally Id rather not run my light off the bike battery. I want as much battery as possible for riding. My NiteRider lights will last 5-6 hours.

Why does everyone want a hardwired light?

 

[Polar]

Why does everyone want a hardwired light?

Because it don't draws a lot of power from the battery, is lighter and you always have light.
I can't notice any less milage when Lupine is on front and back.

 

[Understater]

Why does everyone want a hardwired light?

One less battery to charge. Cleaner installation without a bunch of cable, switch, and battery pack strapped to the bike.

 

[Polar]

One less battery to charge. Cleaner installation without a bunch of cable, switch, and battery pack strapped to the bike.

Avinox has also made the harness ready to one day connect the dropper post to the main battery.
Just need a not yet developed dropper to work in the system.

 

[B-man]

I usually run a light on the bar and a light on my helmet. It might be nice to run the Avinox light and a NiteRider.

 

[Understater]

So I eventually figured out the answer to my own question. I had been running a light plugged directly into my Trek Ex-e, which worked fairly well if not delivering an enormous amount of light. I was planning on making a new light (since I have a home-made CNC mill) using 3 XM-L3 leds, as my initial research suggested that would be a good combo. I really wanted to avoid an extra switch on my bars and to make the light head super small by omitting the driver circuit, but alas, it was not to be. First, I realised that I was going to get less light output under-driving 3 leds than by driving just 2 in their sweet spot. Then, when I plugged an old set of lights directly into the bike without a driver circuit, it flickered, meaning the bike wasn't outputting the kind of regulated power that leds need.
For now I ended up taking the 12v XHP35 leds out of my most recent light and fitting two of the new XM-L3s (I think these are used by Gloworm and many others). I checked the set-up with a cheap bench-top power supply from Aliexpress. Set up at 12v and 2.5 amps gave me a power draw of about 16.6 watts (The bike will supply 17W). This gives a theoretical output of close to 3k lumens on full burn. More interesting was when I turned the light down to the mid power setting it was still giving a lot of light, but only drawing about 4 watts. If I turn it down to my commuting setting the power drain was barely registering. The driver circuit I'm using is an old Taskled b3flex buck driver, which is highly configurable, with a maximum output of 3amps, which unfortunately is more than the bike can supply. The next level down is 2.5amps, which pulls almost the full 17 watts the bike can deliver.

I have now had a chance to test it off-road, and I am really pleased with it. It is easily enough light for offroad riding, especially combined with my helmet light. I spent most of the ride with the light set on medium, and only turned it up to full for the downhills. Out of interest, I tried setting the max power to 3amps. It worked, but I don't think it was any brighter, and the bike sounded an alarm at me, so I set it back to 2.5 and all was good for the rest of the ride.

So: You can run a decently bright light straight off the bike without using the USB-C port. You won't get as much light, but you will get vastly more than the measly 1200 lumens the the factory light puts out.

 

[Polar]

You mentioned more "light" and lumen but what about beam pattern?

Comparing Avinox light with the original Supernova gives a totally different beam pattern.

 

[action99]

This is a 3600 lumen and runs from the USB-C exactly what I need, put it in to the back pack for late afternoon rides just in case dark catches me (only 123g) , mount it when I do night rides. As my phone mount has a gopro mount under I don't need anything else. A usb-c cable is always good to have to charge the phone in case of issues.

Gloworm XSV-PD Light System (G2.1) | Gloworm

The XSV-PD Light System (G2.1) is the world's first bike Light System built specifically for DJI Avinox and compatible with any e-bike with a USB-C PD

glowormlights.com

 

[sickysickybrah]

This is a 3600 lumen and runs from the USB-C exactly what I need, put it in to the back pack for late afternoon rides just in case dark catches me (only 123g) , mount it when I do night rides. As my phone mount has a gopro mount under I don't need anything else. A usb-c cable is always good to have to charge the phone in case of issues.

Gloworm XSV-PD Light System (G2.1) | Gloworm

The XSV-PD Light System (G2.1) is the world's first bike Light System built specifically for DJI Avinox and compatible with any e-bike with a USB-C PD

glowormlights.com

@Gloworm Lights do these lights run on any of the avinox usb c outputs? most have 10w usb c ports but some are 65w. is 10 enough to fully power your lights?

 

[Understater]

You mentioned more "light" and lumen but what about beam pattern?

Comparing Avinox light with the original Supernova gives a totally different beam pattern.

That will depend on whatever light you are using, but in my case I'm using Gloworm wide optics which are available as a spare part. I also have Carclo optics available but went with the Gloworm option. So in my case the beam is great. I would hate using the Avinox light as the beam pattern is horrible.

 

[xtraman122]

Avinox has also made the harness ready to one day connect the dropper post to the main battery.
Just need a not yet developed dropper to work in the system.

Yup, I heard Fox and SRAM are both likely coming out with options for this.

 

[Blakey]

What is currently the brightest/best light that connects "properly" into the Avinox system (not via the USB plug)?

 

[action99]

What is currently the brightest/best light that connects "properly" into the Avinox system (not via the USB plug)?

Avinox is outputting 12v at 2.5a so a 30w max light, USB-C is 65w....... so double of the potential light.

I think Supernova M99 Pro2 is the most powerful that can be directly connected but not sure how much it can output connected to Avinox. Most probably it will not output the full 3000lm

The most powerful USB-C one is the MB6 Avinox E-Bike Kit