Amflow PL Carbon "weight loss"

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Newchurch said:
Why doesn't anyone here understand that I want to ride a light eMTB with the Avinox drive?
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If you take a very capable EMTB, and make it much less capable. People are going to question the rational. I wouldn't take it personally. It's human curiosity. We are checking if we have missed something.
 
Newchurch said:
Why doesn't anyone here understand that I want to ride a light eMTB with the Avinox drive?
If you're not interested in such a project don't waste your time with this thread ...
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I for one can be counted as one of the "anyones" who doesn't understand why you are interested in a high powered motor in the bike you have modified. While I understand the "why not" and modifying a bike for personal preference, your stated goal of "I bought the Amflow PL Carbon "standard" model a week ago and my goal was to reduce weight (weight of the bike, reducing my weight is another story ...)." does not explain why you chose that bike to make an XC bike. I am not sure where you would use all that power unless you plan on derestricting it? If you could share your reason for choosing the Avinox drive, maybe it wouldn't sound like such an oxymoron.
 
OP just answered that somehow, he wants just for non rational reason the new kid in the block know as amflow/avinox even if it does not fit its need.

I want a formula 1 to drive in the city is what I got from all his messages, no offense, I agree people do what they want but people have to accept that it does not make us accepting it as rational, accurate, efficient or practical.

In a sense, we already see people going way over bike from frame, suspension, brake because of trend and influencers even if they just don’t need or lack related trail / skills.

This is not entirely different.
 
3 months ago on a forum I made a remark that compared to the weight of the frame, motor and battery I found Amflow a little heavy, the example clearly shows that Amflow is a tractor with a powerful motor and large battery (800wh) so yes with good 19kg tires it is possible
 
i think that's the point, being that to create a lightweight build the Amflow is not an obvious choice, its not a super light motor and the smallest battery you can get is 600, added to which is has the most power which is needed the least on a lighter bike.
 
Hey new church, great project and I agree with you. A lighter bike it's just more fun. Just to reassure you I have a 2022 Levo and put a set of super lightweight cross-country wheels on it (Bontrager Kovee XXX, 1280gm total weight) and they have been absolutely fine for the past 4 years in spite of very aggressive riding in our super chunky lava terrain. Originally on my 2020 levo, a 29er, then put a super lightweight 40 mm inner diameter rim on the rear hub when converting it to a mullet set up when the 2022 levo arrived. So I don't think you'll have any trouble with your lightweight wheelset. If I ever buy the Avinox bike in the future I will slap those wheels right on it immediately. I'm sure you'll enjoy every minute on that bike. Don't let the naysayers put you down. :ROFLMAO:
 
The world of online MTB has gone very "enduro or nothing". I don't even know what enduro means anymore.

I like this thread. This reminds me of the old OnOne 456 - a burly 'long travel' (by those standards 15 years ago) carbon hardtail that was designed for up to 140mm of fork travel.

But it was also one of the first affordable carbon frames, so a lot of people bought them, whacked a carbon fork on and a 1x drivetrain to make a super lightweight rigid cruiser. Very fun.
 
Newchurch said:
Hi,

I bought the Amflow PL Carbon "standard" model a week ago and my goal was to reduce weight (weight of the bike, reducing my weight is another story ...).
Starting weight last week was 21456g (frame size L , with plastic pedals, ready to ride).

And today: 18460g (ready to ride)

Parts changed:
- light wheels from "Neelz Wheels" (German Shop) with Duke carbon rims and NOX hubs, Wolfpack Speed tires with Schwalbe xtralight tubes, XTR cassette: minus 2000g

- Exustar E-PM215 pedals: plus 17g

- KCNC Razor 203mm disks: minus 163g

- Procraft PRC SP2 UD Carbon seat post: minus 549g

- Selle Carbonio seat: minus 139g

- Cannondale Hologram SAVE bar: minus 175g

- SRAM AXS pod controller: minus 129g

- SRAM X01 Eagle AXS derailleur with power cord: plus 89g

- Shimano XTR disk brakes: weight loss not known, haven't weight the brakes

Weight today: 18460g (ready to ride, including bell and an air tag)

Time to ride ;)

I know, that several parts are not for "heavy duty" bike rides, but that's not the intended use for the bike.
My goal was to reduce the Amflow below the Pro model - goal reached ;)

Greetings from Germany
Peter
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19,400kg with Taipan 29x2 40 gravity tire and carbon wheels

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I was lost when you said you were running inner tubes. This sounds like a theoretical exercise rather than actually done, but I’ll be happily corrected.

Brake rotors looks inadequate, what a place to look to save weight.
 
Newchurch said:
I want the new Avinox drive train and a light eMTB. And I don't MTB riding on bike parks, "heavy duty" downhills or on trails with high jumps, etc. So that's MY IDEAL eBike. If someone of you need a dropper, etc. - your problem ;)

I will take some pictures today.
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Hi Newchurch, I just purchased a Amflow Pl carbon and waiting to receive it. I plan on stripping all parts off of it.
And rebuilding it how I wanted it.

I had a question I couldn’t find the seat post diameter, could you tell me what size it is?
I normally will go with a lighter weight higher end Dropper Post to save some weight, also I normally go with Carbon cranks, Can you tell me how much your alloy cranks weigh and if you know of any Carbon cranks that will fit the bike. I know Praxis is making some carbon cranks that are not out yet for the Amflow, but they seem unusually heavy.

One Weight weenie to another I appreciate your bike build that you posted👍😀
 
Hi Newchurch
Welcome to the forum from Scotland.
Good on you for modifying YOUR bike to suit YOUR needs regardless what others think.It would be a boring world if we all rode identical stuff.
I also fitted my hardly used light weight xc carbon wheel set and tyres to my new “enduro spec” emtb and it feels a lot livelier to ride for the riding I do-not to appease others.Whenever I want to ride gnarlier stuff then I refit the originals.
My bike has just an SX motor so every little helps on undulating terrain and also squeezes some extra battery range too.
I’ve also considered removing the dropper-it’s a Fox post and has been sticking since new last year but I honestly wouldn’t miss it either as this is my 1st bike with a dropper in the last 20 years.
As for what you’re getting slated for,remember there’s thousands of motorists out there driving high powered large SUV’s just to go to the shops and motorists with high end sports cars that can’t even reverse park.Or motorcyclists riding super bikes that only professional racers could exploit to their full potential.
Experimentation with different components is sometimes more enjoyable for me than a difficult day out on the trail.
You shouldn’t have to explain or justify to forums why you’ve modded your bike to suit you. It’s just unfortunate there’s always someone out there especially the keyboard warriors trying to piss on your chips no matter what you like.
I genuinely hope you have a great time on every ride with whatever makes YOU happy out there just like I always try to do.
All the best mate!
 
Hey @Newchurch - just wanted to let you know that, while I won't be going as all-in on weight savings as you, when my PL Pro gets here it's going to get new wheels and I'll also be removing the dropper. I've been riding/racing for, well, too long, and I've had droppers on a couple bikes and rarely used them. If I do a bike park day, I just drop the saddle with a 4mm or 5mm wrench. With no dropper, I'm still among the fastest on our local descents, so while I can probably be faster with one, this old dog isn't learning any new tricks. And again, a 4mm is my dropper when I really need it for a super steep section or for blue jump lines.
 
lol treats dropper like some sort of
New fangled tech.
Too funny
Even on a cross country trail on a 8 lb
DJI crotch rocket, a dropper would make riding better. You aren’t convincing anyone.
So you need it super light, for cross county but you needed a 120 ft lb monster engine? You will be bouncing of the motor cutoff all the time.

I think it’s cool when people build what they want. Just be prepared when you post👌🏻😂 judgement comes swift
Good luck !
 
Pizzman said:
lol treats dropper like some sort of
New fangled tech.
Too funny
Even on a cross country trail on a 8 lb
DJI crotch rocket, a dropper would make riding better. You aren’t convincing anyone.
So you need it super light, for cross county but you needed a 120 ft lb monster engine? You will be bouncing of the motor cutoff all the time.

I think it’s cool when people build what they want. Just be prepared when you post👌🏻😂 judgement comes swift
Good luck !
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I’ve been dropping my post for a long time. Just with a hex wrench. Bike park days, the occasional enduro race (after the transfer segment of course!), and on super steep chunk. Does the job. Haven’t had a ride ruined by a stuck dropper either. And my “dropper” weighs about 10 grams. 😎
 
RickBullotta said:
I’ve been dropping my post for a long time. Just with a hex wrench. Bike park days, the occasional enduro race (after the transfer segment of course!), and on super steep chunk. Does the job. Haven’t had a ride ruined by a stuck dropper either. And my “dropper” weighs about 10 grams. 😎
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So you use a dropper. Just do it more difficult.
I had to Allen my post down for a long time. Droppers are soooo much better. To each their own
 
Franchement c'est un plaisir , de rouler sur un bike de 19,400kg avec un moteur incroyable.

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I too hate droppers. Besides being pointless for going downhill everyone knows a fully extended post is key to climbing technical uphills. Nothing beats the sensation of having your weight as high as possible when you're about to stall out and need to look for a place to ditch.

Also, the sheer weight of said dropper would have made most of my climbs next to impossible in the first place.

My next move is to go single speed and make carbon cantilever brake adaptors. The weight savings will be off of all the charts!

D
 
darwink1 said:
I too hate droppers. Besides being pointless for going downhill everyone knows a fully extended post is key to climbing technical uphills. Nothing beats the sensation of having your weight as high as possible when you're about to stall out and need to look for a place to ditch.

Also, the sheer weight of said dropper would have made most of my climbs next to impossible in the first place.

My next move is to go single speed and make carbon cantilever brake adaptors. The weight savings will be off of all the charts!

D
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I've never read such rubbish before.
 
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