Shimano E8000 derestricting options

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If anyone has a used BadassBox, Speedbox or other solution they want to sell at less than retail let me know. Would like to try my E8000 at 32km/h or more, but not sure it's important enough to spend ~$300 on. Does anyone know how the Shimano reps do it? I'm tempted to take mine to NZ and get it done by a rep there (NZ allows 32km/h). Just wouldn't be able to actually ride it there as I wouldn't have a battery...
 
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#92
If anyone has a used BadassBox, Speedbox or other solution they want to sell at less than retail let me know. Would like to try my E8000 at 32km/h or more, but not sure it's important enough to spend ~$300 on. Does anyone know how the Shimano reps do it? I'm tempted to take mine to NZ and get it done by a rep there (NZ allows 32km/h). Just wouldn't be able to actually ride it there as I wouldn't have a battery...
I have BADASS freeze for sale (unused) if you're interested.

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Managed to get out today on local trails and got an inconsistent w011 code so assume it's the chip - bike interface again.
Pulled the chip and worked champion, thing is I hate the 15mph barrier so want something better than this.
What's out there that'll de-restrict properly giving all the right info on the dash?
Found this on YouTube.....
 

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Would anyone outside the EU be able to ship a BadassBikes Box 4 Shimano to me in the US? Looking to avoid the VAT tax and can't find a dealer who will ship to the US
 

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Installed my badass box 4 last weekend, works like a charm just like the 3.4 version does on my bosch bike.. now it feels like a proper e-bike! Thing I like about the badass is that its non intrusive so easily removable "when required" i.e. tear it off and swallow it or stick it up my ass with one hand while holding spleen in with the other when ploughed over by a bus to avoid blame. secondly they are non detectable as long as you put the original magnet back on spokes so waranty remains valid! sweet
 

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Would anyone outside the EU be able to ship a BadassBikes Box 4 Shimano to me in the US? Looking to avoid the VAT tax and can't find a dealer who will ship to the US
did you sort a box out? I'm in the UK but could try to ship you one as a "low value gift" without packaging and AAA battery to avoid all the punk tax?
 
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Managed to get out today on local trails and got an inconsistent w011 code so assume it's the chip - bike interface again.
Pulled the chip and worked champion, thing is I hate the 15mph barrier so want something better than this.
What's out there that'll de-restrict properly giving all the right info on the dash?
Found this on YouTube.....
I use EMAX works perfectly with firmware 4.3.2 and hear it works with 4.6 But half the display reading. Emax can update you to 4.3.2 and FreeMax will adjust Eco ,Trail, and Boost in 1% increments. great tech support also
 

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Yeah I got emax and run it with 4.6 ATM.
I've got another thread going , I'm trying to get more from the battery by reducing all modes.
When I get this where I want I might try 4.3.2 and get a bit more from the motor
 

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Bought myself the Shimano PCE1 interface and looking to go Emax route.Quick question before I download the free software edition is it possible to set speed to USA without the licensed serial number .20mph seems like a sweet cutoff point for now
 

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Hey @thebarber
Did new connectors finally solve your peartune issues?
I've had W011 errors for the last 3 rides when derestricted.
if I switch off and back to derestricted (using the light function) it's all good again.
After the first time it happened I opened the casing and found a fair bit of debris so cleaned that up, cleaned the connectors greased them and re-connected. Derestricted worked again with no error code.
Then today I got the W011 again. Same thing.
When reconnecting I noticed the PT connector wouldn't click into place (rear left socket of the three) like the proper shimano ones do and think this might be the issue.
I'll whap the case off again when I get a chance later tonight and try and figure out if I can get that connector more securely attached.

Where did you get hold of proper shimano connectors?

TIA
 

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I bought a new sensor and spliced it on.
It lasted a lot longer but eventually gave an error after a river crossing so I fukt it off and emaxed it.
 

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Downloaded minimax software to connect with PCE-1 and after reading software instructions the licence key is strictly one bike.Looking to buy licence key in couple of weeks to convert top speed to USA 20mph
 

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Gary
Downloaded minimax software to connect with PCE-1 and after reading software instructions the licence key is strictly one bike.Looking to buy licence key in couple of weeks to convert top speed to USA 20mph
Thanks mate.
theBarber actually PMd me and explained the whole PCE1/mini/Emax thing for me.
sounds a good option if 20mph is all you want.
with a proper clean out and re-seal of the connector compartment (and plugging a gap - details in the vitus Esommet thread) my Peartune is working fine again (for how long i don't know though)
 

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Im running a vitus 2019 (Shimano steps 8000) with badass 4.0 which works great, but it’s now limited by high end gearing, I’ve gone as big as I can on the front ring (36T) which has improved slightly. Are there any options to reduce the smallest rear cassette size from 11? (11-46)
 

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You could fit a sram XD rear freehub/wheel and go GX 10-46 cassette.
I have this cassette on my regular enduro bike and really like it (32T ring though) but personally I wouldn't ever want a 10T sprocket on an Emtb. - too little chain wrap and too quickly worn out if used a lot. Plus XD 11speed cassettes are more expensive than SLX (double the price).

I'd suggest simply learning to spin faster. I can reach over 32mph pedalling on the flat on my gearing fairly easily simply by spinning.
You only need to be able to hold 120rpm to reach that and if practiced you should be able to increase your comfortable spinning cadence higher than that fairly quickly.

32mph on off road mtb trails is mental fast and anything above that down a decent gradient freewheeling and tucking is going to gain you as much speed anyway.
 

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You could fit a sram XD rear freehub/wheel and go GX 10-46 cassette.
I have this cassette on my regular enduro bike and really like it (32T ring though) but personally I wouldn't ever want a 10T sprocket on an Emtb. - too little chain wrap and too quickly worn out if used a lot. Plus XD 11speed cassettes are more expensive than SLX (double the price).

I'd suggest simply learning to spin faster. I can reach over 32mph pedalling on the flat on my gearing fairly easily simply by spinning.
You only need to be able to hold 120rpm to reach that and if practiced you should be able to increase your comfortable spinning cadence higher than that fairly quickly.

32mph on off road mtb trails is mental fast and anything above that down a decent gradient freewheeling and tucking is going to gain you as much speed anyway.
Thanks mate, I should have said though I ride my e-sommet daily and have 2 sets of wheels, I’m happy with the stock wheels for forest bashing but my commute is flat and fast road and rutted fire track for 14 miles, and with the 11-46 XT cassette I look like I’m straight out of a cartoon for most of my screaming run in lol. Legs can’t move fast enough!

So maybe i will try a 10-46 on my commuter set as they will never get treated too harshly?
 

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maybe i will try a 10-46 on my commuter set as they will never get treated too harshly?
SRAM also does a 10-42 but it's more expensive than you'll find GX discounted to and doesn't offer much in closer ratios at the top end (smallest sprockets).
 

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SRAM also does a 10-42 but it's more expensive than you'll find GX discounted to and doesn't offer much in closer ratios at the top end (smallest sprockets).
Are SRAM and Shimano Cassettes interchangeable? Heard that they were
 

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SRAM make HG (shimano) compatible cassettes and XD (SRAM) compatible cassettes.
The only way to run lower than an 11T srrocket is to run XD or Shimano's newer XTR. Both require their respective dedicated freehub body.
replacement XD freehub bodies are available for many popular hubs.
 

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