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Surely the bike isn’t t aimed at people wanting to get rowdy on the trails - I look at this think as some of the older locals I know who like to ride out from Reigate where I live along the north downs way over towards Leith hill etc.

Probably a 40mile ride there and back of gentle Singletrack, and the bike would be perfect for that. I see it as more of tool for that kind of riding.

the majority of ebikers I see local to me are older ladies and gentlemen whereby the EMTB has given their riding ability a new lease of life, and it’s definitely a lucrative market.
 
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I think that's going to be the norm for these fatter full fats.
 

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Seems the norm for a regular EMTB has gone from 23kg to 25kg in the last two years.
 

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Seems the norm for a regular EMTB has gone from 23kg to 25kg in the last two years.
Well of course, 2 years ago a 500watt battery was the norm. Now a days allot of people feel like a 600watt is small and most bikes come with 600+watt batteries. Hence the more common heavier bikes.
 

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The calls for more integration had driven the weight up as well. External batteries look bobbins but the bikes were lighter.
 
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Well of course, 2 years ago a 500watt battery was the norm. Now a days allot of people feel like a 600watt is small and most bikes come with 600+watt batteries. Hence the more common heavier bikes.
Thats my point, it seems the market as a whole is prepared to accept heavier bikes in the quest for longer range.
 

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That's my point, it seems the market as a whole is prepared to accept heavier bikes in the quest for longer range.
It's one of the main reasons I'm in no hurry to buy a new bike; as I want the Holy Grail of light weight and long range I need Elon to pull his finger out and develop some much more energy dense cells.
 

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Only lightish bigger capacity bikes I can think of are Santa Cruz Bullit (630Wh ) and 2022 Levo (700wh battery) that are in the 22KG region, maybe there’s a couple more out there from smaller brands (Rotwild?)
 

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The Bullit is a lovely bike to ride downhill, especially when it get a tight and twisty, but the EP8 is very disappointing; both in power delivery and range. I haven't ridden a '22 Levo yet, so can't comment on how it rides but I'd be surprised if it wasn't very good.
 

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Only lightish bigger capacity bikes I can think of are Santa Cruz Bullit (630Wh ) and 2022 Levo (700wh battery) that are in the 22KG region, maybe there’s a couple more out there from smaller brands (Rotwild?)
Carbon Rails are pretty light too.
 

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Yeah Rotwild has some great bikes, I really like their equivalent of the Kenevo SL, which is very similar geo wise, but uses the same motor/battery concept as the Orbea Rise. Bonus is the battery is easily removable, and they have enabled the motor to give full power if required.


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The fact of the matter is, until current battery technology changes, the bikes can't get much lighter.
 

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Only lightish bigger capacity bikes I can think of are Santa Cruz Bullit (630Wh ) and 2022 Levo (700wh battery) that are in the 22KG region, maybe there’s a couple more out there from smaller brands (Rotwild?)
Wasn't the 2019/20 carbon Levo with 700wh battery about 22kg as well?
 
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Wasn't the 2019/20 carbon Levo with 700wh battery about 22kg as well?
Yes that was before the trend of 38 forks and piggy back shocks with more robust tyres.
That's pushed the weight up on all these bikes.