Yep as I thought and not only are the replacement batteries an issue but I read somewhere that the onboard “computers’ are classed as a consumable by Teasla.Now then ...
who would want to buy a 3 year old Tesla where the batteries could potentially need replacing which could cost well over £15k to replace
Can’t wait to get my battery lawnmower out soon
Take a deep breath and read what I wrote. I never said all supercharging was cheaper than petrol. I said I spend 1/2-1/4 the cost on electricity as I did using gasoline. That is a true statement. The details depend on how, where, and when you charge. If you exclusively supercharge the equation is very different. Not many of us do that. I also never said Teslas were cheaper. Read exactly what I said. In fact, the 90% of Tesla owners are closer to my review. This is in fact a subjective review, kibitzed here by yourself, a CALboy. Mind if I call you that? Nothing is perfect, it is what it is. If I said you couldn't pay me to go back to Windows from a Mac I'm not saying Mac is perfect, just very much better than Windows.That is, by definition, why I'm calling your post a fanboy alert! There are all too many illustrations in your fanpraise that, perhaps, hold true for you specifically, but don't for 90% of other people (Teslas being cheaper? Oh please - they are not (FACT!) Charging being cheaper? it's not! (we pay EUR 0,4/Kw, for electricity and charging on a public charger will cost pretty much as much as a regular gas tank (FACT). Infrastructure is far, FAR from being everywhere (FACT). Etc.
8 yrs or 150000 miles, whatever comes first:Tesla warranties the battery for 8 years and the rest of the car is 4 years, so you won't be buying a new battery after 3 years.
Actually that’s on the X, 100k miles on the model 38 yrs or 150000 miles, whatever comes first:
Your Tesla vehicle is protected by a New Vehicle Limited Warranty and a Parts, Body and Paint Repair Limited Warranty. These warranties cover the repair or replacement necessary to correct defects in the materials or workmanship of any parts manufactured or supplied by Tesla that occur under...www.tesla.com
So 40k miles per annum and the batteries are out of warranty after 3 years and 250 ish days
I’m no naysayer if you’re implying I am, I’m all for electric cars. I explained why they’re not cost effective as company carsI'm finding this thread quite ironic being an emtb forum.
The OP has posed a question about EVs, at least two owners having given their honest reviews after owning for over a year.
Then the naysayers step in with no personal knowledge, just urban myths and speculation, knocking the new technology.
This was my problem, I need to allow for 20k miles per annum on a lease deal and none of them where having any of it.Now then ...
I drive a company car and last year it was time to order my next model. In the UK there is a huge incentive to drive electric cars as the BIK (benefit in kind) tax rate for 20/21 on electric cars is 0%, 1% for 21/22 and 2% 22/23. Basically you pay zero or very little tax for driving an electric company car
Originally had my eyes on the Model 3, but then was tempted by the Polestar 2 or XC40 Recharge. Range isn’t an issue. Yes I drive 30-40k miles per annum (pre Covid) but also regularly stop at cafes between meetings to catch up on emails etc, so charging the car would become a destination to also work / have lunch, and you’d only charge enough to get you home and then a full charge overnight
Our company leases vehicles, and we soon found out that the issue with electric cars is that if you’re on a high annual mileage and a three year lease, basically the residual value is awful as you’re handing a car back to the lease company with 120k miles on, batteries out of warranty, and who would want to buy a 3 year old Tesla where the batteries could potentially need replacing which could cost well over £15k to replace
So, ended up ordering another petrol hybrid car as the BIK rate is still far better than the huge amount you now have to pay for diesels, but the company suffer as real world mpg for hybrids is only a round 35-40 mpg compared to typically 50-55 MPG for diesels
To answer the original question about whether having an eeb has changed my view on wanting an electric car, no it hasn’t, but as lithium battery technology in general is becoming better by the day I now try and buy ‘cordless’ wherever I can. Can’t wait to get my battery lawnmower out soon
Even a cream crackered EV battery has a second life as battery storage, and if it’s too far gone then it can still be recycled easily.This was my problem, I need to allow for 20k miles per annum on a lease deal and none of them where having any of it.
I also looked at Vans, as ideally that what I would want, and same deal there - the market doesn't really seem to know yet what high mileage EV's will be worth, or if there will even be a market for them - for all the good they do for the planet (I know thats a whole other debate) it does seem to me that a lot of these cars will be going to the scrap heap a lot earlier in their lifespans than ICE cars.
An EV would be good for me as I could get through company, massive tax benefits, and I have off street parking and a 3 phase power supply at my house, but actually finding a company who will sell me one was more difficult than expected
Yeah I know they can be recycled etc, it’s just the most new cars are bought on leases of some sort, and they are all based off residual values, and none really know what the longer term used values of these thing will be.Even a cream crackered EV has a second life as battery storage, and if it’s too far gone then it can still be recycled easily.
It’s still early days, a lot of established manufacturers have yet to play their hand, and the tech is slowly but surely getting better, led it has to be said by Tesla.
Nobody is saying we’ll be moving overnight to EVs, there’s going to be a long transition period and prices will come down as it all scales up.
BMW have the i4 due out later this year. It’s fast!Interesting thread. I’ll be replacing my car later this year, and own my own business. I always private lease, as I’ve no interest in owning a car and fretting about depreciation. Been there, done that, many many times.
So, after looking at various options, electric cars have started to get my attention, as I can run one through the business, and pay virtually no BIK. And there are tax benefits for the company too. I‘m waiting to see what BMW launch this year, and the Taycan could be an option, as the deals on those are very attractive right now. My only concern is the infrastructure.
As a petrol head, part of me is tempted to just get a new M5, but the deals on EV’s is making the decision quite difficult. My sensible head is saying EV, but my heart is screaming at me to get a twin turbo V8 while we still can!
Yes, it’s important to take all the carbon costs into account for EVs, just remember to do the same for ICE vehicles as well.I am still waiting to see what eventuates with fuel cell technology.
No arguments that e-vehicles are fun. Had a few drags with a Tesla Model S & a Kia Stinger - lots of fun.
Some do equate modern e-vehicles with the shitty old Prius that used to waddle like a pregnant mother expecting quintuplets which is quite unfair as those old Prius were like 50% overweight and vastly underpowered
There is a lot of ideas about how green e-vehicles are and without a doubt they are greener to run... BUT.
To really make a true comparison one has to take into account the true environmental cost from dragging the ores/hydrocarbons out of the ground right up to the eventual disposal of all components. Yes one can repurpose batteries as storage devices for home use, but eventually they do have to be recycled. According to my nephew roughly 50% is the best expected from the lithium cell recycling where with lead-acid batteries it is around 95%. The big shocker is that according to data available to the US auto industry only around 8-10% of lithium is recycled currently. I am thinking this may include other lithium cells such as phone batteries but have not been able to clarify - hopefully that will rocket up in the years to come.
However, the point I am trying to make is that when commenting whether a convention car or an electric one is more eco friendly or cost effective one needs to take into account all of the energy required to construct from scratch, usage costs and the cost to deconstruct and recycle.
At a town hall meeting recently I watched someone that actually had a clue destroy a couple green party MPs when it came to the big picture. They were completely oblivious (or ignorant) that large hydrocarbon powered machinery is required to dig and extract various ores - these rely on hydrocarbons not only to fuel, but for their construction. They were also completely ignorant as to how hydrocarbons were required for the plastics that a large percentage of these electric vehicles are constructed of .... and so on.
Yes we can reduce air pollution by not burning hydrocarbon fuel in our vehicles, but they all still need it.
Back to my initial sentence ... I am still waiting to see what eventuates with fuel cell technology.
My dad had several friends that worked on this technology in the 60s & 70s that apparently was bought out by large petroleum companies and promptly shelved. I guess once legislation gets a lot tighter and the loony left starts taxing the hell out of them that the ideas researched will come to light.
Will also be interesting to see how road construction and maintenance will be paid for when the various governments no longer have the massive income from current fuel taxes.
Mathematically, humanity must end if we continue to be a plague like we now are. And saving a few% of carbon emissions isn't making any difference if there are 5% more humans roaming around the earth whilst we try to (a fact all rosy green scenarios don't factor in). Luckily, mother nature has a way of dealing with plagues, some signs of which are now showing..we should be scared about what happens if we just carry on as we are.
Where’s the source for that?the only reason renewables are there, is because they are being subsidised, not because they are economically viable. There's not a single business model in existance that could provide for the power generation (needed when cars and heating would become electrified) without burning carbons or nuclear. Not even if you cover all available space on earth in solar and put up millions of fans.
Yes, the elephant in the room is population growth.Mathematically, humanity must end if we continue to be a plague like we now are. And saving a few% of carbon emissions isn't making any difference if there are 5% more humans roaming around the earth whilst we try to (a fact all rosy green scenarios don't factor in). Luckily, mother nature has a way of dealing with plagues, some signs of which are now showing..
Thanks, although I'm still not that inspired