eBiker in court for causing death by dangerous driving

[Doomanic]

London e-bike rider in court accused of causing death of pedestrian by dangerous driving

Seems he might have been using a derestricted eBike.

 

[Welshman]

“If they [electric bikes] exceed a certain speed or power you do need a licence.”

Surely the speed part of this quote is untrue??

 

[MattyB]

Here is he original thread on this incident, including video from a CCTV camera...

Person killed in London by EMTB - EMTB Forums

“If they [electric bikes] exceed a certain speed or power you do need a licence.”

Surely the speed part of this quote is untrue??

Just lazy journalism - I suspect what they should have written was “If they [electric bikes] provide assistance above a certain speed or exceed 250W constant power you do need a licence.”, but of course that requires some actual research...

 

[2unfit2ride]

Here is he original thread on this incident, including video from a CCTV camera...

Person killed in London by EMTB - EMTB Forums

Just lazy journalism - I suspect what they should have written was “If they [electric bikes] provide assistance above a certain speed or exceed 250W constant power you do need a licence.”, but of course that requires some actual research...

Lol, not the best advert for the forum, a couple of big hitters & a dick called DEADMEAT

 

[TheBikePilot]

I've predicted that would happen at some point. However, in London there are so many people hooning around on home converted twist-and-go 'ebikes' which are essentially electric scooters.

I think the next iteration of this is someone hitting a hiker on a trail or footpath where we aren't meant to be, and the bike is chipped.

This was, very sadly, always going to happen.

 

[Kiwi in Wales]

I've predicted that would happen at some point. However, in London there are so many people hooning around on home converted twist-and-go 'ebikes' which are essentially electric scooters.

I think the next iteration of this is someone hitting a hiker on a trail or footpath where we aren't meant to be, and the bike is chipped.

This was, very sadly, always going to happen.

I think you are right, If you look closely at the video it does not look like the rider of the ebike was actually pedalling so more of a twist and go ebike. Still an ebike though...... which means we will get tarred by the same brush
On top of all this, again, if you watch the video it looks like she is crossing the road while the light is green for road users and red for pedestrians ....

 

[TheBikePilot]

Yup, cyclists in London just pay zero attention to Red Lights, it's almost a badge of honour to ignore them. I've seen footage where a cyclist thumped a pedestrian he nearly hit jumping a red light when the pedestrian shouted at him..

Next crackdown will be the Twist and Go Scooters which have become all the rage now.

I guess it all depends how much this gets picked up in the news cycle.

 

[Akiwi]

Yup, cyclists in London just pay zero attention to Red Lights, it's almost a badge of honour to ignore them. I've seen footage where a cyclist thumped a pedestrian he nearly hit jumping a red light when the pedestrian shouted at him..

Next crackdown will be the Twist and Go Scooters which have become all the rage now.

I guess it all depends how much this gets picked up in the news cycle.

If the News can make a sensation out of it... they will pick it up.
And distort the facts by leaving details out for example, that the bike was illegally manipulated.

 

[Kiwi in Wales]

Yup, cyclists in London just pay zero attention to Red Lights, it's almost a badge of honour to ignore them. I've seen footage where a cyclist thumped a pedestrian he nearly hit jumping a red light when the pedestrian shouted at him..

Next crackdown will be the Twist and Go Scooters which have become all the rage now.

I guess it all depends how much this gets picked up in the news cycle.

Sorry if I confused you. The cyclist looks like he was on a green the woman crossing the road was on a red

 

[Eckythump]

Next crackdown will be the Twist and Go Scooters which have become all the rage now.

Surprised it didn't all kick off after that YouTuber/TV presenter Emily Hartridge ended up under a truck on her e-scooter in the summer.
It's something the authorities will have to look at with a level head as the push to get everyone onto public transport is going to need to take into account 'environmentally friendly' last mile personal transport.

 

[Janluke]

The take away for me is that being on a derestricted bike opened up a whole different set of charges

 

[Doomanic]

Yep. Which is what some of us have been saying since the forum started.

 

[benny.c]

The take away for me is that being on a derestricted bike opened up a whole different set of charges

Yeah, something like 14 yrs maximum sentence for being on a motorised vehicle rather than 2 yrs for a push bike.

 

[Rusty]

Funnily enough there has been a death here in NZ related to someone cleaning up a family on a cycleway. Thankfully a journalist did some investigation and referred to it as a Motorised Vehicle.

Was also a report about ebikers exceeding 50kph on a cycleway in Auckland. Someone with a bit of a clue parked his arse there and identified 3 roadies exceeding 80kph but not 1 ebike going over 30kph.

 

[Mikerb]

I have pointed out on another thread to do with derestricting Ebikes that if you are involved in an accident and a someone is badly hurt what speed you were doing is not particularly relevant. In the case of a serious accident the bike would be impounded by the police and tested. If the bike is found to be derestricted it matters not whether that modification contributed directly to the accident. You would at the very least be fined for having no DVLA registration or insurance and not wearing a helmet, at worst subject to motor vehicle offences of careless or dangerous driving, or as in this case, causing death by dangerous driving. Whilst individuals may be prepared to take that risk, ALL E Bike riders may suffer the consequences of unwanted and probably innacurate media attention as a result. I took some flack from a few forum members for pointing that out. This case looks a bit removed from a simple derestrict in that it does appear the bike is a DIY conversion but as can be seen from the press reports it is the entire E bike category that is referred to.
p.s. For the benfit of non UK members......In the UK at least there is no offence of "jaywalking". The red or green pedestrian crossing sign is advisory not compulsory, whereas the red traffic light is compulsory. The onus is always on motorists ( which is what you are if you derestrict your bike) to avoid endangering pedestrians.

 

[MattyB]

Lol, not the best advert for the forum, a couple of big hitters & a dick called DEADMEAT

Yeah, the second half of that thread did go a bit off course; I just thought being able to link to the video would be useful.

 

[TheBikePilot]

Nothing eBike related but this is the incident I was referring to:

Hunt for cyclist who headbutted pedestrian

 

[routrax]

Nothing eBike related but this is the incident I was referring to:

Hunt for cyclist who headbutted pedestrian

What a dick, looked like he was going through a red light too.

 

[Cyclopath1000]

If u run down a pedestrian, even one crossing against a red you are by definition at crummy rider who needs a bit of jail time. If u want to disregard pedestrians and punish peeps with death for their mistakes probably u need to live in the countryside alone. Yes even with the best of intentions things happen but in my mind any pedestrian anywhere is cause for concern and adjustment . And I'm an ex New Yorker who knows how to j walk with the best. And I don't stop at every red light light I've ever encountered. It's just plain inexcusable to hit a pedestrian. With or without the right of way.

 

[JPB]

So my bike is not derestricted but when going on the road I can easily exceed 15.5mph due to pedal power, am I breaking the law ? And what would happen if I hit someone. !

 

[Doomanic]

So my bike is not derestricted but when going on the road I can easily exceed 15.5mph due to pedal power, am I breaking the law ?

No.

And what would happen if I hit someone. !

That would depend on the circumstances surrounding the collision.

 

[Cyclopath1000]

Don't hit someone . That's my entire point. Somehow in Amsterdam peeps are ferrying around entire broods without helmets and traffic flows. And yes pedestrians are separated and if you step into a bike lane the rules I mentioned actually don't apply..anyway ..it's pretty rare anything bad happens because these people seemed to have nationally resolved the individual and the collective without much fuss vs the English speaking as first language world where individual vs the common good is in constant conflict. Sounds crazy to paint a picture with so wide a brush but at this moment it feels right.

 

[Cyclopath1000]

I've always felt that if 7 of 9 was part of the collective , sign me up.

 

[MattyB]

I've always felt that if 7 of 9 was part of the collective , sign me up.

Wrong thread? But, yes I agree... Did you know she is back in the new Picard spin off?

 

[Cyclopath1000]

You've made my day even before I finally get.out for a ride. I.am ready to merge into the collective.

 

[steve_sordy]

There was always something about 7 of 9 that floated my boat.

 

[TheBikePilot]

Wrong thread? But, yes I agree... Did you know she is back in the new Picard spin off?

Can’t wait for this!!

 

[MattyB]

There was always a couple of things about 7 of 9 that floated my boat.

Corrected that for you...

 

[steve_sordy]

Corrected that for you...

I'm as much a fan of boobs as the next man, but I wasn't meaning those couple of things. It was the character's whole persona. I'm not going any further in case it reveals too much about me!

 

[Beekeeper]

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