2019 Flyon Closer Look

Scoobaru

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I don't really get the point of a more powerful and heavy motor for a pedal assist bike that is limited to 15mph. I can't imagine any climb that's not possible with a 90nm Brose bike that will be with a 120nm Flyon *using the same tyres*. If have to get off for a climb then I also need to push/carry it up large rocks which the extra weight wouldn't help. Downhill or Enduro trails, which is 90% of what I care about riding, I am usually going faster than 15mph so the motor torque is irrelevant.

A de-restricted Flyon on the other hand would be an entirely different story, but no warranty.
 
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#92
I don't really get the point of a more powerful and heavy motor for a pedal assist bike that is limited to 15mph. I can't imagine any climb that's not possible with a 90nm Brose bike that will be with a 120nm Flyon *using the same tyres*. If have to get off for a climb then I also need to push/carry it up large rocks which the extra weight wouldn't help. Downhill or Enduro trails, which is 90% of what I care about riding, I am usually going faster than 15mph so the motor torque is irrelevant.

A de-restricted Flyon on the other hand would be an entirely different story, but no warranty.
You can make steeper climbs on it than on other bikes, some of the ones on my local trail Me and my friends never managed on any other bike. Also uphill in general on steeper trails you can average closer to 25km/h than the 14 km/ you normally reach on other systems. Everywhere else’s it’s no advantage really, although it does accelerate faster out of corners when you pedal. Horses for courses and all that.
 

Scoobaru

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#93
You can make steeper climbs on it than on other bikes, some of the ones on my local trail Me and my friends never managed on any other bike.
Also uphill in general on steeper trails you can average closer to 25km/h than the 14 km/ you normally reach on other systems. Everywhere else’s it’s no advantage really, although it does accelerate faster out of corners when you pedal. Horses for courses and all that.
I guess a lot depends on what kind of trails you ride. The vast majority I use have uphill specific routes that were designed for non-Emtb use and are pretty easy on any Emtb, or fire roads that are also easy.

I would much rather trade off climbing at 25kmh for more range and 14kmh. I don't use eco mode much but try to reserve Turbo for when I need it.

"Horses for courses and all that", indeed !
 

MattyB

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#94
I don't really get the point of a more powerful and heavy motor for a pedal assist bike that is limited to 15mph. I can't imagine any climb that's not possible with a 90nm Brose bike that will be with a 120nm Flyon *using the same tyres*. If have to get off for a climb then I also need to push/carry it up large rocks which the extra weight wouldn't help. Downhill or Enduro trails, which is 90% of what I care about riding, I am usually going faster than 15mph so the motor torque is irrelevant.

A de-restricted Flyon on the other hand would be an entirely different story, but no warranty.
Completely agree, but I still think these will be a big seller to those who want the “most powerful” ebike available. For most of us though range is far more important than maximum power, something that big heavy motor won’t help with.
 
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#95
I know I said something similar before, but actually the flyon offers much more than just a strong motor. The allmtn 8.0 for example has a great spec for the price:

630WH high density battery, no internal drag motor, full fox 36 elite suspension (like factory but black), 29 + 27,5 wheels, carbon frame (offset some of the motor weight), full XT with SLX etc.

In other words, it comes very close to the spec of the top range canyon spectral and with a little LBS discount, it is the same price (Different geo and weight for sure). So for me, it is not so much about the big power (nice to have though), but more the overall spec and value.

Obviously I am little worried that the weight, long wheelbase and chainstays may take some fun out if it, but I generally prefer longer bikes because they feel safer for my descents. I will let you know how I feel actualy riding the bike when it finally arrives. Obviously if I dont like the ride I will not buy it.
 
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#96
And yes, we want as much detail on the FLYON as possible, after all this is a FLYON thread 👍👍
Relevant to the info here is this bit of a historical and mechanical perspective of the motor itself.

TQ-Systems mid-drive, the German off-road hot rod

The concept has really developed since the $80,000usd Black Trail from 2010


At least Haibike have shortened the chain stays from back then and dropped a few kg's as well as around $70k....
 

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