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2022 Kenevo SL Megathread!

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  1. Here come the people that have to shit on everything
    Overpriced? Value is subjective. It’s only worth what someone is willing to pay. I sold all of my first order in 20 minutes. But you know something? Some people just made better choices after high school
    Underpeced? Sure they could have just thrown an EP8 or a Gen 4 Bosch on there, put on some bling forks, but that’s what everyone else does. Only a handful of brands do anything innovative
    Underpowered? Only if you’re a total pussy

    You sold all of your order in 20 mins? Impressive.

    It won’t take you much longer to assemble those 2 bikes which will be your total stock for 2021 [emoji1787]

  2. I think this, along with the original SL, are a niche within a niche compare to other lightweight offerings, in that they are competing against regular bikes rather than other Ebikes.

    To me the interesting question here would be is the Kenevo SL actually a better bike to ride than the Enduro? Does that added weight actually improve it once pointed down.

    For me the bike choice here isn’t Regular Kenevo or Kenevo SL, it’s Enduro or Kenevo SL

  3. I think this, along with the original SL, are a niche within a niche compare to other lightweight offerings, in that they are competing against regular bikes rather than other Ebikes.

    To me the interesting question here would be is the Kenevo SL actually a better bike to ride than the Enduro? Does that added weight actually improve it once pointed down.

    For me the bike choice here isn’t Regular Kenevo or Kenevo SL, it’s Enduro or Kenevo SL

    As someone who has an enduro, I can guarantee this Kenevo climbs faster with less energy, which at least for me would make the downhills more fun, even if it’s not actually “better”.

  4. Very nice looking bike , not for me tho

    I owned the sl and as much as I loved that bike I found the motor to noisy and underpowered , especially when you compare it to other light weight ebikes like the orbea rise
    I sold the sl for the two reasons above

    I have never owned or ridden a Kenevo (I have a Levo) but I have always seen the kenevo as a more aggressive downhill enduro version of the Levo so not sure why someone looking for a bike like this would want the power the sl produced !!!!!!

    I feel they would of been better getting that power up to 50nm

    there a few people finding the Levo sl underpowered so Have a more Extreme orientated bike like the kenevo with this lower power i am not sure will be enough to keep people happy

  5. I think its unfair to compare the Kenevo SL to the Enduro. Yes, they have similarities but its obvious that Spesh have taken feedback from alot of riders and have revised the platform (not just for the sake of the motor and battery).
    One noticable difference is the slightly revised linkage placement which should stop stones and crud getting in between certain areas where the linkage would compress (afterall, it’s full carbon).
    In addition, I’m of the belief the battery is non-removable. Therefore travelling abroad could be a problem and running the Kenevo SL on a range extender tricky in terms of battery management.

    👍 to Specialized for using a solid platform behind the Kenevo SL but in my view, the Enduro and the Kenevo SL (like the Stumpy and Levo) are two different bikes which both have their merits.

    Oh and let’s just put the fear mongering to rest here "ebikes will NEVER replace regular bikes"🤙🏿

  6. Oh and let’s just put the fear mongering to rest here "ebikes will NEVER replace regular bikes"🤙🏿

    Speak for yourself. With every new ebike that comes out I see less and less reason for owning high end regular bikes as well. Right now my main hesitation for not selling my enduro is travel by plane and certain races without an ebike class. As far as day to day riding goes, my ebike is just overall more enjoyable on every type of terrain.

  7. Speak for yourself. With every new ebike that comes out I see less and less reason for owning high end regular bikes as well. Right now my main hesitation for not selling my enduro is travel by plane and certain races without an ebike class. As far as day to day riding goes, my ebike is just overall more enjoyable on every type of terrain.

    I disagree. The normal mtb is about 10 kg lighter.
    Trail riding and jumping, pumping, moving, sliding and doing manuals and bunny hops is so much easier and more fun on a mtb. Mtb is not dead

  8. Speak for yourself. With every new ebike that comes out I see less and less reason for owning high end regular bikes as well. Right now my main hesitation for not selling my enduro is travel by plane and certain races without an ebike class. As far as day to day riding goes, my ebike is just overall more enjoyable on every type of terrain.

    That’s cool rb. At the end of the day, I see no reason why both can’t be accepted.
    Maybe its because I’m into mountain biking more so than the mountain bike.
    Whether you ride to compete against others, recreation, fitness etc. Any bike can be considered awesome.
    FYI, I’d hang onto that Enduro my friend 🤙🏿

  9. Doesn’t deserve the Kenevo name, should have been 180mm 27.5 :unsure:

    Nice bike, but not for me. The point of Kenevo is self shutling. But where does this bike leave next gen Levo SL? If there ever will be one..

    That’s why they still make the Kenevo
    Kenevo SL is a different rider and a different riding experience

  10. Definitely glad I’m sticking with the Gen3 Levo over this.

    I fully expect this to be useless in the UK mud, just like the current Enduro is. That 6 bar link loves collecting mud & goes through bearings like fatties go through cake :)

  11. I’m no fan of that SL Kenevo at all.
    Non removable battery, low output and only 4kg lighter than a good eMTB with a grown up motor.
    Where’s the difference when a 95kg guys sits on it?

    But damn, @Rob Rides EMTB , your video is real quality.
    A feast for the eyes.
    Loved watching it 👍🏼

  12. Props to Spesh for this bike! 🤘 Its definitely an advance in tech. They included the geo changing and headset cups so you could run this mullet or full 27.5 no problem. The only fail IMO is the old motor but I think that was a dev or supply chain problem. A spesh shop owner told me a few months ago that the bike would have a new motor by a new manufacturer and it would be more like 50nm.

    I would guess that the next model will be the real game changer. I would be okay with half power but 1/3 is not enough. Plus I have heard that they are louder.

    This looks like it would be a blast on the downs though!

  13. I disagree. The normal mtb is about 10 kg lighter.
    Trail riding and jumping, pumping, moving, sliding and doing manuals and bunny hops is so much easier and more fun on a mtb. Mtb is not dead

    Also depends on where you live. Some rides I go on 75% of the mountain bikers I see are on ebikes here in Northern California. Also there are more and more bike shops opening up that sell ONLY ebikes. Does that mean normal bikes are dead? No. But at some point I would not be surprised if ebikes surpass normal bikes on a large scale.

  14. Still debating what I want to do with it, it’s basically brand new but just sits in the shred collecting dust sadly.

    Unless you desperately need the cash, keep it in a safe place 👍

  15. Unless you desperately need the cash, keep it in a safe place 👍

    It is my favorite descending bike I’ve ridden. In a perfect world I’d own an enduro, Kenevo SL, and new Levo. (I promise I’m not a specialized fan boy). But unfortunately that would require a selling off half my organs and extremities.

  16. I spend 90% of my time in ECO mode on the 2020 FF Kenevo. Mainly long fireroad climbs (sometimes quite steep) where I ride.
    Is trail or turbo on the SL motor comparable to ECO on the FF?
    Am I going to be burning through battery for similar support?
    Do people who’ve ridden both types still find the SL underpowered on road climbs or are the comments predominantly aimed at the tech stuff?
  17. I think this, along with the original SL, are a niche within a niche compare to other lightweight offerings, in that they are competing against regular bikes rather than other Ebikes.

    To me the interesting question here would be is the Kenevo SL actually a better bike to ride than the Enduro? Does that added weight actually improve it once pointed down.

    For me the bike choice here isn’t Regular Kenevo or Kenevo SL, it’s Enduro or Kenevo SL

    Totally. I personally never really enjoyed the full power of a typical ebike. It was fun at first, but i kept reducing the power. And

    So good. That’s the one I ordered as well. So – it’s actually an X2 like the pictures and not a Float X?

  18. Totally. I personally never really enjoyed the full power of a typical ebike. It was fun at first, but i kept reducing the power. And

    So good. That’s the one I ordered as well. So – it’s actually an X2 like the pictures and not a Float X?

    Yes X2. Big bike. Sizing down from S3 to S2 and will be selling my Levo SL.

  19. What’s the deal with seat post insertion – looks pretty poor due to the motor shifting up the shock window and hence the bottom of seat tube vs the enduro.
  20. I’m no fan of that SL Kenevo at all.
    Non removable battery, low output and only 4kg lighter than a good eMTB with a grown up motor.
    Where’s the difference when a 95kg guys sits on it?

    But damn, @Rob Rides EMTB , your video is real quality.
    A feast for the eyes.
    Loved watching it 👍🏼

    Agree on the battery and video quality. Disagree on the weight. I’m that guy (97kg on bike) and I can absolutely feel the 4kg between my full fat and low power eBike’s weight. Manhandling an 18kg bike is MUCH easier than a 22kg one.

    Gordon

  21. Agree on the battery and video quality. Disagree on the weight. I’m that guy (97kg on bike) and I can absolutely feel the 4kg between my full fat and low power eBike’s weight. Manhandling an 18kg bike is MUCH easier than a 22kg one.

    Gordon

    Agreed. The 19KG Kenevo SL and 22Kg S-Works feel massively different, even just picking up and moving around.

  22. One month? You’ve been riding that thing for a month?

    How do you sleep at night whilst chuckling at all the bs that gets posted on here?

  23. Stunny video lads, I really want to like it but it doesn’t tick my boxes. My levo SL is super cable as I have it. Seen a lot of enduro frame failures and the lower part is awfull for getting rocks jammed in. look at many enduro racers and events, riders don’t pick the enduro they pick the stumpy evo (mainly) I’ve no doubt it’s a fun bike and amazing but if you’ve enduro spec a SL then you wouldn’t really gain much. I have a s works stumpy evo and ride a enduro s works and every time I’d pick the stumpy as it’s way more fun.
  24. Stunny video lads, I really want to like it but it doesn’t tick my boxes. My levo SL is super cable as I have it. Seen a lot of enduro frame failures and the lower part is awfull for getting rocks jammed in. look at many enduro racers and events, riders don’t pick the enduro they pick the stumpy evo (mainly) I’ve no doubt it’s a fun bike and amazing but if you’ve enduro spec a SL then you wouldn’t really gain much. I have a s works stumpy evo and ride a enduro s works and every time I’d pick the stumpy as it’s way more fun.

    Don’t tell me that haha. Agreed on most, but I do miss the Uber plus you can get only with travel. The geo suits me better as well. I will probably keep my normal sl for a tad to see back to back how they compare, but most likely will sell after swapping some parts

  25. One month? You’ve been riding that thing for a month?

    How do you sleep at night whilst chuckling at all the bs that gets posted on here?

    Picked it up early April. Funny thing is no one noticed it out on the trails!

  26. I spend 90% of my time in ECO mode on the 2020 FF Kenevo. Mainly long fireroad climbs (sometimes quite steep) where I ride.
    Is trail or turbo on the SL motor comparable to ECO on the FF?
    Am I going to be burning through battery for similar support?
    Do people who’ve ridden both types still find the SL underpowered on road climbs or are the comments predominantly aimed at the tech stuff?

    Last week I rode both a Levo Comp and a Levo SL expert on very steep climbs (where it feels difficult even on the FF turbo mode), but thanks to the lighter weight of the SL I managed to do it. Obviously much more effort needed.
    I would say turbo of Sl matches trail of a FF, mostly thanks to the reduced weight
    (Sorry for the OT)

  27. I think one of the things that the full fat motor has that helps on climbs is the over run. You get almost another crank turn of over run motor assistance to help on technical climbs.

    I don’t recall getting this with the SL platform, so you’ve got a lower power motor and missing the over run. I feel that the over run is a feature that can help with bigger rocks and technical climbing.

  28. Feel like this sort of model should have always existed. It’s not for me as i’m used to the power now but i reckon it is exactly the kind of bike that would tempt my friends towards an emtb (when they get a bit cheaper). It is a niche but it is a niche they still won’t be able to supply enough bikes for.

    Had i not had the taste of the full power i would lust over one.

  29. Orbea will probably come out with a better bike than this.

    The RS motor is hands down better than that mahle and the 60nm is also more suitable for shuttling.

    The other benefit is you aren’t stuck with specializeds terrible colour schemes of late.

    I thought I’d like this design more but if I’m honest I think it’s worse than the current frame style and I expect rocks will be a problem near the shock.

    Having seen the spec of the new full power kenevo it seems like all the bikes are going to very same same this generation. Thankfully frame kits are here to save the day and due to adjustable geo they offer much better options than factory bikes which are just overpriced.

    A frame kit means you can buy one high spec AXS set and dropper and one top end set of brakes and one set of your favourite wheel size in carbon and move them from bike to bike

  30. @Doomanic I’m sure I saw one at FOD early April by Parkdean Cafe just after we saw you. Will you be going FOD a test ride and did you get a test ride on a Rise yet?

    I’m going to test ride one for sure, but I think the Siryon will suit me better. I’m trying to arrange a Rise test ride from Surge Bikes and possibly a Levo SL as well.

  31. Orbea will probably come out with a better bike than this.

    It’s not like you to point out the obvious but incorrectly. :p Orbea will probably come out with a different bike to this … in the future .. as Specialized will probably come out with a different bike to this … in the future ..

    The other benefit is you aren’t stuck with specializeds terrible colour schemes of late.

    Thanks for the help there. I’m sure a lot of people aren’t sure about their own tastes and decisions so it helps to have your guiding wisdom as to what’s nice or not.

    I thought I’d like this design more but if I’m honest I think it’s worse than the current frame style

    Again, I’m surprised. I thought the man who doesn’t like any bike, design, manufacturer, supplier, shop, colour would definitely have given this the thumbs up.

    Sorry mods. Please delete my off topic pointless drivel.

  32. @Doomanic I’m sure I saw one at FOD early April by Parkdean Cafe just after we saw you. Will you be going FOD a test ride and did you get a test ride on a Rise yet?

    That’s because a certain EMBN presenter local to the area has been out on one for the last month or so. Not exactly ‘hiding’ it away.

  33. Im sure I saw on this week strapped to the back of a black Jeep headed towards the Surrey Hills

    Is it me or does no one seem that hyped by this bike, even Rob. Just seems like, meh its ok.

  34. Im sure I saw on this week strapped to the back of a black Jeep headed towards the Surrey Hills

    Is it me or does no one seem that hyped by this bike, even Rob. Just seems like, meh its ok.

    It’s a very very good capable bike. I think the Gen 3 Levo is just such an outstanding bike and almost as capable downhill. They made the Gen3 so good with it’s longer slacker and adjustable Geometry and although they feel quite different to handle I think that you can do more with the Levo.

    I really enjoy climbing on the Levo; you can challenge yourself to ridiculous things on it. Not so much on the KSL, climbing became a means to an end for me on it.

    What about a full fat KSL though 😍😍?

  35. To add, I ride 100% of my time socially with others on full fat ebikes. Hardly ever ride on my own and if I do it’s a 1 hour power lap of my local woods.

    The FF bikes can make this power lap more interesting as I can blast around the flats on full turbo. It can make a boring trail quite interesting!

  36. To add, I ride 100% of my time socially with others on full fat ebikes. Hardly ever ride on my own and if I do it’s a 1 hour power lap of my local woods.

    The FF bikes can make this power lap more interesting as I can blast around the flats on full turbo. It can make a boring trail quite interesting!

    Sums up my thoughts really.

    Times limited. Fitness isn’t what it could be. I’m sure there’s a lot of satisfaction from riding a pure mtb, but I like the speed of a full fat and tbh when I see super fit guys going quite slow on climbs and flats… I just think to myself where’s the fun in that….

    DH maybe different but a FF bike doesn’t go slow there either.

    Sure the feel is different but overall I think you get more from the FF bikes which are just getting better all the time

    The SL is for lots of people, but I’d buy the bullit over that for similar riding but more motor

  37. To add, I ride 100% of my time socially with others on full fat ebikes. Hardly ever ride on my own and if I do it’s a 1 hour power lap of my local woods.

    The FF bikes can make this power lap more interesting as I can blast around the flats on full turbo. It can make a boring trail quite interesting!

    @Rob Rides EMTB For some the higher prices will mean a quiver killer bike is a more realistic purchase. £/mile/smiles ridden. I do wonder what the 2019 Comp Carbon would retail at these days? mine is still going strong but it’s had an “easy paper round” life in the hills of Wiltshire 😂

  38. It’s great to have choices. The Kenevo SL is a beautiful bike and will no doubt be a monster down hill!
  39. Times limited. Fitness isn’t what it could be. going quite slow on climbs and flats… I just think to myself where’s the fun in that….

    Yep, my thoughts too as a reasonably fit person that can get round Pitch Hill/Winterfold and then go back for more without much of an issue. I mean there was a time when I couldn’t get up some of the steeps there

    Still, Its not fun going up some of the hills and I don’t really gas out these days, its just slow going so I really want something like an SL to try get it out the way faster

    My problem is, I think the SL motor is for me. I just wince at £9k.

    I might convince myself the S works frame is a good idea so I can put my GX stuff on it….. Got my eye on that. £6k I can sort of deal with, plus a fork

    Also got my eye on any 27.5 conversions….or Mullets. :)

  40. To add, I ride 100% of my time socially with others on full fat ebikes. Hardly ever ride on my own and if I do it’s a 1 hour power lap of my local woods.

    The FF bikes can make this power lap more interesting as I can blast around the flats on full turbo. It can make a boring trail quite interesting!

    Going down hill is fun on all bikes.

    Going faster on flats is way more fun on full power bikes

    Going up hill sucks on all bikes other than full power ebikes.

    The brose is more fun than the EP8 because it just has that burst of power you can call on which isn’t possible on the SL motors at all.

    Its good to have options and the best options we now have are frame sets. Frame sets with adjustable geo are the most unpublished innovation because people focus to much on factory bikes supplied for free.

    Framesets are not new but highly configurable ones are very new. This opens the door to some seriously bespoke bikes which will be better than this factory stuff.

    Now you can not only choose the travel but also the motor power and also how you set the bike up before you order a single part for it.

  41. Going down hill is fun on all bikes.

    Going faster on flats is way more fun on full power bikes

    Going up hill sucks on all bikes other than full power ebikes.

    The brose is more fun than the EP8 because it just has that burst of power you can call on which isn’t possible on the SL motors at all.

    Its good to have options and the best options we now have are frame sets. Frame sets with adjustable geo are the most unpublished innovation because people focus to much on factory bikes supplied for free.

    Framesets are not new but highly configurable ones are very new. This opens the door to some seriously bespoke bikes which will be better than this factory stuff.

    Now you can not only choose the travel but also the motor power and also how you set the bike up before you order a single part for it.

    The main problem with Frame sets for the foreseeable future is being stuck with a frame and not being able to acquire the parts to complete the build….

    fine if you are swapping over.

    but the shortage of parts is surely why specialised are now doing framesets. to keep frame sales moving as they struggle to build complete bikes.

  42. Going down hill is fun on all bikes.

    Framesets are not new but highly configurable ones are very new. This opens the door to some seriously bespoke bikes which will be better than this factory stuff.

    Now you can not only choose the travel but also the motor power and also how you set the bike up before you order a single part for it.

    The only sense you have ever spoken

  43. I’m going to test ride one for sure, but I think the Siryon will suit me better. I’m trying to arrange a Rise test ride from Surge Bikes and possibly a Levo SL as well.

    I’m very interested in the Siryon too. This Bafang system especially – knowing that my “95Nm” Bafang motor felt weedy compared to Brose and Bosch, I hope their 60Nm Eon Drive feels true to what you’d expect it to feel.

  44. Now I’ve had time to digest I could see myself taking one of these to BPW with 1 or 2 range extenders and having a great day.
  45. Now I’ve had time to digest I could see myself taking one of these to BPW with 1 or 2 range extenders and having a great day.

    Yep, would be great there. This bike really makes sense for anyone that wants no weight compromise to get in the way and the best, most playful handling on the downs.

  46. If I hadn’t just got the Bullet, I think I’d be homeless if I came home with another £9k bike this month 😞
  47. Just remembered a point. I remember on a YouTube public live stream we did, Marco from Specialized was talking about modular motor upgrades being something they were looking at.

    Given that the SL motor first came out July 2019 I have been wondering on the life cycle of that motor and how it fits in with the typical 3 year life cycle of frames.

    Assuming this KSL frame will be around from model year 2021-2023… will we still see the 2019 SL 1.1 motor in a 2023 SL?

    I’d not be surprised if we see a new uprated Mahle motor at some point in the future and I really hope that it can be retrofit into the current SL type bikes.

    Same can be said with the Brose on the Gen 3 Levo…

  48. The main problem with Frame sets for the foreseeable future is being stuck with a frame and not being able to acquire the parts to complete the build….

    fine if you are swapping over.

    but the shortage of parts is surely why specialised are now doing framesets. to keep frame sales moving as they struggle to build complete bikes.

    There are shortages but its only a problem if your dealer is the place you need to buy from.

    I’ve managed to get all my parts for my S works levo frame set.

    I had some of the expensive parts already on my kenevo so I’ll just swap them. Hardest item to get has been the chain. I’ve had to settle on the NX Eagle one as can’t find anything else that isn’t gouged.

  49. Cant wait to receive my KSL in a few weeks, two years previously on the Kenny Expert, currently on the LSL .
    Time for change and maintaining the grin factor. Will reserve opinion until i’ve spent time on the bike.
    Keep innovating Spesh (y)
  50. Love the look of this but for someone who has a levo sl for trail riding and a kenevo expert for steep stuff it dont fit my bill. Like rob most my riding is in group rides, i have my sl for riding with normal bike mates and solo, and the kenevo for group FF rides and parks Think my current set up is the perfect balance.
  51. this bike is 19kg ( expert ) with undersized tires and air shock, if we fitted two reinforced tires, such as maxxis dd or schwalbe sg and a spring shock, we will add about 1.5kg ….
    the bullit of a dear friend of mine, in xt coil version in size m, weighed by me, with feedback scale, is 21,7 kg with dd tires and spring shock absorber, therefore, with the same set-up, we would probably be very close, as weights, but with the difference that the santacruz has a full power ep8 and a removable 630 wh battery and costs less …
  52. To add, I ride 100% of my time socially with others on full fat ebikes. Hardly ever ride on my own and if I do it’s a 1 hour power lap of my local woods.

    The FF bikes can make this power lap more interesting as I can blast around the flats on full turbo. It can make a boring trail quite interesting!

    This. Plus dropping off the off piste stuff on Pitch Hill in Turbo adds to the fun.

  53. Yes X2. Big bike. Sizing down from S3 to S2 and will be selling my Levo SL.

    Interesting – @Specialized Rider Care is claiming it will be a Fox Float X (meh) – though every media announcement AND their own pictures on the website show a Fox X2. Fingers crossed they didn’t change spec after the first few went out.

  54. Are you looking for cocaine hidden in the top tube? I mean, how else can they justify the price? :p
  55. A perspective for what its worth…
    Bike looks great.
    Not happy with the full 29 Wheelset…one of the best attributes of the original kenevo was the 27.5 Wheelset. They should have at least made it a mullet set up.
    1.1 motor is underpowered to say the least.
    Pretty good spec but hard to see a true value for the cost.
    Specialized had a real opportunity to close the door on all other ‘light e-mtb’s" with the new Kenevo- but they blew it.
    By not AT LEAST matching Orbea’s EP8 RS 60NM torque Shimano motor they did all consumers a huge disservice.
    It’s not say the new KENEVO isn’t a nice bike… but it could have been soooo much better. Having a hard time with a shuttle bike that you have to walk up the hills after the third lap… no thanks. Look at all the reviews so far…Downhill is its strength. Horrible uphill. Not a technical climber. Might as well buy the enduro…
  56. A perspective for what its worth…
    Bike looks great.
    Not happy with the full 29 Wheelset…one of the best attributes of the original kenevo was the 27.5 Wheelset. They should have at least made it a mullet set up.
    1.1 motor is underpowered to say the least.
    Pretty good spec but hard to see a true value for the cost.
    Specialized had a real opportunity to close the door on all other ‘light e-mtb’s" with the new Kenevo- but they blew it.
    By not AT LEAST matching Orbea’s EP8 RS 60NM torque Shimano motor they did all consumers a huge disservice.
    It’s not say the new KENEVO isn’t a nice bike… but it could have been soooo much better. Having a hard time with a shuttle bike that you have to walk up the hills after the third lap… no thanks. Look at all the reviews so far…Downhill is its strength. Horrible uphill. Not a technical climber. Might as well buy the enduro…

    Have you ridden a FF Kenevo with 29s? Bloody beast of a bike.

    Kenevo SL underpowered? Really? An enduro with power, I can’t think of a better bike right now.

    Comparing it to the XC Orbea? Please

    If you have to walk this bike anywhere then you should probably own an exercise bike.

  57. I know a lot of people have upgraded to suspension on their levo sl’s. I’m currently running a fox 38 170mm and a 210×55 x2 shock on my sl and I’m very happy with the performance.
    I would love to know how the new kenevo sl compares to a levo sl with upgraded suspension?
  58. T

    Why would you want the kenevo sl to be a mullet? I don’t understand the purpose of a mullet unless it comes with shorter chainstays and increased suspension travel. If you can fit a 29” rear wheel in a bike with 170mm rear travel and short chainstays, why wouldn’t you?

    There is a flip chip in the rear so you can shorten the chain stay. Some people prefer the 27.5 wheel as it allows a little more agility.

  59. I think it’s best looking emtb spesh have made. I don’t really like the look of the asymmetric frame on the Levo/Kenevo, but the KSL looks fantastic. If they make a FF with a similar look, I would seriously consider getting one.
  60. I know a lot of people have upgraded to suspension on their levo sl’s. I’m currently running a fox 38 170mm and a 210×55 x2 shock on my sl and I’m very happy with the performance.
    I would love to know how the new kenevo sl compares to a levo sl with upgraded suspension?

    I should know in a few weeks. My Levo SL is about as "evo’d or enduro’d" you can get:

    170mm fork, CC Link (20% ish progressivity), Storia V3, Mullet, HTA ~63.6.

    It’s a great bike. Kenevo SL is just the bike I have been trying to "make" with all of my tweaks.

  61. My 2p for what it’s worth.
    Those who are saying the Kenevo SL and Levo SL are underpowered are clearly missing the point of these bikes. They are manufactured for a specific type of rider – someone who wants a low powered EMTB that gives them a little bit of help on the climbs and let’s them ride further.

    I am their target for this… as are the 1000’s of people who bought a Levo SL. I had a Rail 9.9 and thought it was way overpowered. I’m still relatively fit and can do all the trails I do on my Stumpy… but was looking for something to assist me a bit to help me go a bit further / faster. 15 months ago I bought a Levo SL, and was delighted with it… and am still loving it.
    I don’t want 60Nm like a Rise. I don’t even need the 35Nm of the SL motor. 95% of the time I’m running it in an Eco setting at about 25-30% assistance.

    I’ve been humming and heying whether to order a KSL frameset. Most of my Levo SL would transfer over, with a fork being the only addition I’d need to buy. I’d probably manage to sell the Levo SL frame for a few thousand, making the swap not cost too much.

    Although the KSL is more like an Enduro, I feel like I’ve spent a lot of time, effort and money building my Levo SL up to be a more Enduro style bike. I’ve also managed to get it to under 17kg. Not sure how I feel about adding another 2-3kg. At the same time, I like buying new stuff, and it looks like it’d be a fun project.

    It seems the frameset only option is sold out everywhere at the moment anyway, so that makes my decision easier. Ideally I’d be waiting another month or two to see how real life users are getting on with theirs, and what the real life weights are with aftermarket tubeless tyres etc.

    For me, the KSL is a great looking bike that’d be the one I’d be buying if I was stepping into the EMTB market for the first time. I’m just not sure there’s enough of a gap between this and my Levo SL to justify the swap.

  62. Why would you want the kenevo sl to be a mullet? I don’t understand the purpose of a mullet unless it comes with shorter chainstays and increased suspension travel. If you can fit a 29” rear wheel in a bike with 170mm rear travel and short chainstays, why wouldn’t you?

    more clearance when you’re over the back of the bike for riders with shorter inseams for starters. There’s also a noticeable different in handling at the back of the bike with a smaller 27.5 compared to a larger 29er rear wheel.

  63. I know a lot of people have upgraded to suspension on their levo sl’s. I’m currently running a fox 38 170mm and a 210×55 x2 shock on my sl and I’m very happy with the performance.
    I would love to know how the new kenevo sl compares to a levo sl with upgraded suspension?

    In my opinion you can compare those like normal mtb.
    Stumpjumper is a trail bike and Enduro is …eh an enduro bike.

    In addition, Kenovo SL has an adjustable geometry.

  64. My 2p for what it’s worth.
    Those who are saying the Kenevo SL and Levo SL are underpowered are clearly missing the point of these bikes. They are manufactured for a specific type of rider – someone who wants a low powered EMTB that gives them a little bit of help on the climbs and let’s them ride further.

    I am their target for this… as are the 1000’s of people who bought a Levo SL. I had a Rail 9.9 and thought it was way overpowered. I’m still relatively fit and can do all the trails I do on my Stumpy… but was looking for something to assist me a bit to help me go a bit further / faster. 15 months ago I bought a Levo SL, and was delighted with it… and am still loving it.
    I don’t want 60Nm like a Rise. I don’t even need the 35Nm of the SL motor. 95% of the time I’m running it in an Eco setting at about 25-30% assistance.

    I’ve been humming and heying whether to order a KSL frameset. Most of my Levo SL would transfer over, with a fork being the only addition I’d need to buy. I’d probably manage to sell the Levo SL frame for a few thousand, making the swap not cost too much.

    Although the KSL is more like an Enduro, I feel like I’ve spent a lot of time, effort and money building my Levo SL up to be a more Enduro style bike. I’ve also managed to get it to under 17kg. Not sure how I feel about adding another 2-3kg. At the same time, I like buying new stuff, and it looks like it’d be a fun project.

    It seems the frameset only option is sold out everywhere at the moment anyway, so that makes my decision easier. Ideally I’d be waiting another month or two to see how real life users are getting on with theirs, and what the real life weights are with aftermarket tubeless tyres etc.

    For me, the KSL is a great looking bike that’d be the one I’d be buying if I was stepping into the EMTB market for the first time. I’m just not sure there’s enough of a gap between this and my Levo SL to justify the swap.

    Well written, I fully share your opinion and that’s the reason why I ordered Kenovo SL

  65. I wasn’t interested in the Kenevo…but damn, I will consider swapping my SL for a Kenevo SL.

    I’ve been really happy with my mullet 2021 SL and 2020 Comp…(with 55 stroke shocks and 160 mm forks).

    But now, ideally, I would replace them with a Gen 3 and a KSL…if only I could figure out how to pay for them.

  66. I wasn’t interested in the Kenevo…but damn, I will consider swapping my SL for a Kenevo SL.

    I’ve been really happy with my mullet 2021 SL and 2020 Comp…(with 55 stroke shocks and 160 mm forks).

    But now, ideally, I would replace them with a Gen 3 and a KSL…if only I could figure out how to pay for them.

    👍

    This is a good point.

    There seem to be lots of people customising their Levo SL’s to give them more travel and “Enduroise” (new word – copyright) the bike. The Kenevo SL seems to be where quite a few people are aiming to get to with the Levo SL. There is a genuine market for that which is a great thing.

  67. Not happy with the full 29 Wheelset…one of the best attributes of the original kenevo was the 27.5 Wheelset. They should have at least made it a mullet set up.

    Specialized did look at a mullet for the KSL but the majority of test riders feedback was 29/29 rode better.

    Stay tuned for the full fat next gen Kenevo – that will have a mullet option…. And a beast of a bike.

  68. 👍

    This is a good point.

    There seem to be lots of people customising their Levo SL’s to give them more travel and “Enduroise” (new word – copyright) the bike. The Kenevo SL seems to be where quite a few people are aiming to get to with the Levo SL. There is a genuine market for that which is a great thing.

    That’s exactly it. I’ve “Enduroise’d” © my Levo SL a bit to try and fit the gap that I wanted.
    The KSL fills that gap as an off the shelf solution without the requirement for mods.

  69. My 2p for what it’s worth.
    Those who are saying the Kenevo SL and Levo SL are underpowered are clearly missing the point of these bikes. They are manufactured for a specific type of rider – someone who wants a low powered EMTB that gives them a little bit of help on the climbs and let’s them ride further.

    I am their target for this… as are the 1000’s of people who bought a Levo SL. I had a Rail 9.9 and thought it was way overpowered. I’m still relatively fit and can do all the trails I do on my Stumpy… but was looking for something to assist me a bit to help me go a bit further / faster. 15 months ago I bought a Levo SL, and was delighted with it… and am still loving it.
    I don’t want 60Nm like a Rise. I don’t even need the 35Nm of the SL motor. 95% of the time I’m running it in an Eco setting at about 25-30% assistance.

    I’ve been humming and heying whether to order a KSL frameset. Most of my Levo SL would transfer over, with a fork being the only addition I’d need to buy. I’d probably manage to sell the Levo SL frame for a few thousand, making the swap not cost too much.

    Although the KSL is more like an Enduro, I feel like I’ve spent a lot of time, effort and money building my Levo SL up to be a more Enduro style bike. I’ve also managed to get it to under 17kg. Not sure how I feel about adding another 2-3kg. At the same time, I like buying new stuff, and it looks like it’d be a fun project.

    It seems the frameset only option is sold out everywhere at the moment anyway, so that makes my decision easier. Ideally I’d be waiting another month or two to see how real life users are getting on with theirs, and what the real life weights are with aftermarket tubeless tyres etc.

    For me, the KSL is a great looking bike that’d be the one I’d be buying if I was stepping into the EMTB market for the first time. I’m just not sure there’s enough of a gap between this and my Levo SL to justify the swap.

    Well put mate, couldn’t agree more. The KSL is new and exciting but from all the vids I’ve watched it certainly isn’t bringing the hype the SL did or the new gen3 levo .
    like you I’ve enduro my SL to the max and it’s a monster on everything. I just purchased a s works stumpy evo and building it up, I’ve wrode it before and the enduro and apart from constant uplifts days or if I lived in the alps I would pick the stumpy every time, and I’m pretty sure this is the same with the SL/ksl. It has its place but for sure but not many places you need 170mm travel and if your shuttling you want a full fat.
    I certainly would rather take a FF over this when riding mountains in the lakes. It’s an awesome step in technology tho and hopefully in years to come it can all trickle down .

  70. The price! Come on Specialized, come back down to earth and reality. When an ebike cost the same as a Factory Addition KTM 450, I’m having a hard time understanding the how and why?? The cost of the Carbon frames (probably made in some Asian country) and those electric motors, the costs does not add up in my book
  71. A perspective for what its worth…
    Bike looks great.
    Not happy with the full 29 Wheelset…one of the best attributes of the original kenevo was the 27.5 Wheelset. They should have at least made it a mullet set up.
    1.1 motor is underpowered to say the least.
    Pretty good spec but hard to see a true value for the cost.
    Specialized had a real opportunity to close the door on all other ‘light e-mtb’s" with the new Kenevo- but they blew it.
    By not AT LEAST matching Orbea’s EP8 RS 60NM torque Shimano motor they did all consumers a huge disservice.
    It’s not say the new KENEVO isn’t a nice bike… but it could have been soooo much better. Having a hard time with a shuttle bike that you have to walk up the hills after the third lap… no thanks. Look at all the reviews so far…Downhill is its strength. Horrible uphill. Not a technical climber. Might as well buy the enduro…

    My feelings exactly!!!!!!!

  72. Spez makes bikes for a global audience, the diffrent types of riding terrain/uphils/trails is limitless out there in the world. ppl who think the SL is underpowered are the wrong target market, its not the bike thats underpowered, you just arnt the right customer for the bike

    Have owned 2 FF levo, loved them both, but FF levos are just too heavy and too much power for tight tropical wet rooty jungles where i ride in Asia

    After a year on my current SL, its perfect, 17kg, with just enuff power to take the pain off the climbs in 100% humidity. im not even on turbo majority of the time, i ride to keep my weight down and burn calories, too much assist is detrimental with that goal in mind.

    Also..happy to report that the mahle have 100% spotless record so far in the local market..not a single failed motor/battery. vs the FF levo which still have units failing every month and coming in to the Spez LBS for new motor/batteries

    I was hoping for a Stumpy EVO SL type bike, so we have SL, Stumpy EV SL, and Kenevo SL, 3 very diffrent bikes…but i will hold my judgement till i ride it.

    Oh as for ppl complaining about the 29ners…i agree….i do prefer 27.5 for the agility, my current SL is on 27.5 SC Reserve rims…perfect

  73. The most interesting question for me will be can the KSL replace my Enduro so I can keep just one bike for bike parks and gnarly trails? How much affect those approx. 4 kg more weight the handling on the downs? Somebody has to do a test KSL vs. Enduro for downhill.
    If there is no real disadvantage of the motorization I can imaging the Enduro becoming obsolete for many riders.
  74. The most interesting question for me will be can the KSL replace my Enduro so I can keep just one bike for bike parks and gnarly trails? How much affect those approx. 4 kg more weight the handling on the downs? Somebody has to do a test KSL vs. Enduro for downhill.
    If there is no real disadvantage of the motorization I can imaging the Enduro becoming obsolete for many riders.

    you will absolutely feel a diffrence. my manual trail bike is 4kg less than my SL. its totally different on the trails. i ride the 2 bikes alternately…but majority of the time im on my manual, its just alot more fun/poppy.

    I use the SL whenever i didnt get enuff sleep the nite before (3 kids) or when it rained heavily and the trails will be muddy and sludge like…anytime im abit off…i use the SL and it makes me smile.

    I would continue to use a 2 bike strategy for the forseeable future

  75. Not sure why you would have Roval wheels or Fox suspension on dream build! But each to their own, would consider a frame set as finally Specialized sorted the geometry of a light ebike, the SL is dated geo!!
  76. Not sure why you would have Roval wheels or Fox suspension on dream build! But each to their own, would consider a frame set as finally Specialized sorted the geometry of a light ebike, the SL is dated geo!!

    Its not really a dream build its a factory standard build.

    My gen 3 levo is getting some special suspension and there won’t be a rockshox or fox part anywhere in sight.

  77. Its not really a dream build its a factory standard build.

    My gen 3 levo is getting some special suspension and there won’t be a rockshox or fox part anywhere in sight.

    You know, you don’t have to tease .. you could just say .. I’m installing an X shock and a Y fork ? I know you like to criticise without offering alternatives, but maybe this is the time to blossom !

    Has anyone tried the goodyear newtons ..

  78. EXT Era and storia v3 fully custom tuned.

    They make big claims but just the quality and innovation is enough for me to spend the additional cash over the current offerings on the market.

  79. EXT Era and storia v3 fully custom tuned.

    They make big claims but just the quality and innovation is enough for me to spend the additional cash over the current offerings on the market.

    My brother runs them on his Kenevo and says they’re the best suspension he’s ever run.
    I had a quick urban ride and I can confirm they are pretty good.

  80. My brother runs them on his Kenevo and says they’re the best suspension he’s ever run.
    I had a quick urban ride and I can confirm they are pretty good.

    Yes you can see just from what goes in to making them they are a cut above the typical stuff.

    I’m genuinely looking forward to something different.

    I’m not much of a jumper but I do ride hard on some pretty poor quality surfaces and I can easily find the weaknesses in some of the best stuff from RS and Fox.

  81. I have all three Stumpjumper, SL, and FF. I ride each of them during the week depending upon my recovery. The SL is by far my favorite.
  82. Storia V3 (on my Levo SL) is rad. I will say it runs a bit more of a "race tune" – supportive and not ultra plush, but it’s unflappable. The faster you go, the better. Before the KSL launch, i was going to send it in to get re valve to lower high speed compression. I have found that I run a tab bit more sag on rockier trails because I like that plusher feel in certain scenarios. With the HBO, you can run a tad lower spring rate and not worry about harsh bottom outs. I was seriously on the fence about getting the KSL because this shock on the SL was that good, but then I opened my browser, saw an S4 expert in stock, blacked out, and had an order confirmation in my gmail. 😲

    Will be curious to compare to the out of the box KSL and it’s more progressive LR plus rearward axle path. I wouldn’t hesitate to throw another EXT on there though.

  83. Around the 7 minute mark the bike seems to be running wide whenever they hit a bump leading into a corner – almost like the rear is forcing the bike forward? Does that feel as scary as it looks?

    I disagree. When a bike is long and slack, you have to learn to ride it differently. Not by turning the handlebar, but by tilting the bike.

  84. Who else has real ride reports as of yet? I think I should get mine this week or early next based on the shipping notification.
  85. Nice, but not for me – still waiting for them to slap the Stumpy Evo geo on the regular SL, or just the new Levo geometry – any idea on when that might happen?

    Exactly my plan: Levo SL Gen.2 with Stumpjumper EVO or new LEVO geometry is on top of my wish list. Hopefully also with a new Gen.2 motor. More quiet and with a little more power. I´m hoping for arrival/presentation next year.

  86. I think it’s best looking emtb spesh have made. I don’t really like the look of the asymmetric frame on the Levo/Kenevo, but the KSL looks fantastic. If they make a FF with a similar look, I would seriously consider getting one.

    No, in my opionion the new FF Kenevo should be based on the new/next Enduro and not on a frame that is 3 years old in 2022!

  87. Who else has real ride reports as of yet? I think I should get mine this week or early next based on the shipping notification.

    I’ve ridden the bike and believe the hype. It’s INCREDIBLE. I thought it would be underpowered. Nope. It’s perfect.

  88. I love how everyone that says the motor doesn’t have enough power immediately gets criticized by someone that says " don’t need more power, just get fit." As someone who isn’t and has a former knee injury. FU. Everyone has different skill levels, fitness levels, health issue, etc. Just stop being douches.

    All of us unfit riders are super happy for you that you enjoy xc and hill climbs. I wish you all of the best on your KOMs. Some people just want to ride a bike because its fun. PS, you have some avocado toast on your spandex bib.

  89. I love how everyone that says the motor doesn’t have enough power immediately gets criticized by someone that says " don’t need more power, just get fit." As someone who isn’t and has a former knee injury. FU. Everyone has different skill levels, fitness levels, health issue, etc. Just stop being douches.

    All of us unfit riders are super happy for you that you enjoy xc and hill climbs. I wish you all of the best on your KOMs. Some people just want to ride a bike because its fun. PS, you have some avocado toast on your spandex bib.

    Are you saying the SL doesn’t have enough power to help out the disabled?
    I have an acquired back injury that basically ended my mtb riding and the SL has more than enough power to get me where a normal Mtb couldn’t.

    or are you just complaining cause someone called someone fat?

    ps I don’t like climbing, avocado or spandex.

  90. @Christian haha good! We agree on some things :rolleyes: I thought you had a Keveno?

    I just hate the amount of elitist fitness bs in MTB. The funny thing is that moto people are so much nicer and you would not expect that looking at the two industries. Everyone that rides moto just wants to get everyone else into it no matter what they are going to ride or how.

    And yeah 35nm doesn’t seem like enough. I pretty much just use trail mode on the FF. 90 is more than I need unless I was commuting on the street. That said I haven’t ridden one yet. I just assume that trail would be somewhere closer to 60nm.

    I find that the 8lbs of battery in front of the levo really makes the front drop like a rock over jumps and drops. I really wanted the lighter front end just with a little more power. I also am concerned that the motor doesn’t kick in until higher rpms (from what I have heard). Is it possible to crank up the shuttle settings on the SL?

  91. I’ve ridden the bike and believe the hype. It’s INCREDIBLE. I thought it would be underpowered. Nope. It’s perfect.

    All the superlatives.. can’t wait. Guess mine hits the dealer early next week. I hope it’s all I think it is

  92. @Christian haha good! We agree on some things :rolleyes: I thought you had a Keveno?

    I just hate the amount of elitist fitness bs in MTB. The funny thing is that moto people are so much nicer and you would not expect that looking at the two industries. Everyone that rides moto just wants to get everyone else into it no matter what they are going to ride or how.

    And yeah 35nm doesn’t seem like enough. I pretty much just use trail mode on the FF. 90 is more than I need unless I was commuting on the street. That said I haven’t ridden one yet. I just assume that trail would be somewhere closer to 60nm.

    I find that the 8lbs of battery in front of the levo really makes the front drop like a rock over jumps and drops. I really wanted the lighter front end just with a little more power. I also am concerned that the motor doesn’t kick in until higher rpms (from what I have heard). Is it possible to crank up the shuttle settings on the SL?

    Yes I do have a Kenevo SL but haven’t ridden it off road as of yet.
    My current 20kg Levo SL though still has enough power to get me up what I need it to, even on a 36T rear.
    In saying that my brother doesn’t agree with me but then again he is packing a few more kgs than me. So in that circumstance yeah get fit C&$t.

    Like you, when I was riding FFs I was 90% in trail with 1 in 10 rides flat out turbo when I was short on time. Fun as hell but man it’s a heavy bike.
    Ridding the SL variant is so much nicer feeling. The sacrifice is that brute power but still has way more power than an analogue. Way more power!

    If that’s not enough then you always have the 3/4 power lightweights. Still great bikes just not as pretty as the Kenevo SL 😂

  93. I love how everyone that says the motor doesn’t have enough power immediately gets criticized by someone that says " don’t need more power, just get fit." As someone who isn’t and has a former knee injury. FU. Everyone has different skill levels, fitness levels, health issue, etc. Just stop being douches.

    All of us unfit riders are super happy for you that you enjoy xc and hill climbs. I wish you all of the best on your KOMs. Some people just want to ride a bike because its fun. PS, you have some avocado toast on your spandex bib.

    First you wrote that confrontation is not desirable and people have different needs. I support this.

    But right after that, you set out to generalize the other party. Why?

  94. I get very easily excited so take what I say with a grain of salt.
    I love my SL, it is the perfect blend of chuckability and power. According to the forum I am a Specialized fanboy so I may be biased but of the few different brands I have tried I am happy with that label.
    As for the 3/4 power lighter weight bikes I was referring to the Rise and Sirion etc. sub 20kg lower than FF power bikes.
  95. haha don’t we all! I have been riding specialized way before ebikes 🤟 Yeah the Rise is too xc for my tastes and the siryon has a bafang motor which doesn’t have the punch that they claim (according to Rob’s YT vids). I thought maybe there was something else that I was missing.

    I personally think there is a huge market for a 50nm lightweight bike. But I will go see if I can rent an SL just to try it out.

    I also wonder if specialized is going to allow motors to be swapped later. If a new motor comes out that is 50nm couldn’t it just be swapped in. People with surrons overclock the bikes to make them seriously powerful but I haven’t really seen this with MTBs yet. It’s only a matter of time. Modify the BMS to pass more voltage. More power less battery life.

  96. haha don’t we all! I have been riding specialized way before ebikes 🤟 Yeah the Rise is too xc for my tastes and the siryon has a bafang motor which doesn’t have the punch that they claim (according to Rob’s YT vids). I thought maybe there was something else that I was missing.

    I personally think there is a huge market for a 50nm lightweight bike. But I will go see if I can rent an SL just to try it out.

    I also wonder if specialized is going to allow motors to be swapped later. If a new motor comes out that is 50nm couldn’t it just be swapped in. People with surrons overclock the bikes to make them seriously powerful but I haven’t really seen this with MTBs yet. It’s only a matter of time. Modify the BMS to pass more voltage. More power less battery life.

    Well anythings possible but life’s to short to wait around for the next best thing. Enjoy what’s here now and in a year’s time something better will come out. Upgrade then or be happy with the fact you don’t have to pedal all on your own.

  97. All the superlatives.. can’t wait. Guess mine hits the dealer early next week. I hope it’s all I think it is

    I think you will. Did you order the SWORKS? It looks even better in person! The riding and visual appeal of the bike feels like an SL that has matured to the next level.

  98. I think you will. Did you order the SWORKS? It looks even better in person! The riding and visual appeal of the bike feels like an SL that has matured to the next level.

    No – only the Expert was in stock. Plus, the $4k premium over the Expert didn’t seem like I got much out of it (already have parts to swap on anyways).

  99. I disagree. When a bike is long and slack, you have to learn to ride it differently. Not by turning the handlebar, but by tilting the bike.

    Exactly, i get sick of people saying that a long travel e bike does not turn fast enough.

  100. Any feedback comparing to your levo sl? Looks so good

    Thank you! It’s like the SL has grown up and matured to the next level. Super stable, plush and composed. Can’t imagine having any other bike in the stable.

  101. Thank you! It’s like the SL has grown up and matured to the next level. Super stable, plush and composed. Can’t imagine having any other bike in the stable.

    Kudos for calling this out way back when in august 2020 (Skypark – been dreaming of this bike since then!!)

  102. Kudos for calling this out way back when in august 2020 (Skypark – been dreaming of this bike since then!!)

    A little bird told me it may happen and it did! Thankfully it was well worth the wait. Yes it’s expensive but not for a moment do I question the purchase.

  103. @Christian haha good! We agree on some things :rolleyes: I thought you had a Keveno?

    I just hate the amount of elitist fitness bs in MTB. The funny thing is that moto people are so much nicer and you would not expect that looking at the two industries. Everyone that rides moto just wants to get everyone else into it no matter what they are going to ride or how.

    And yeah 35nm doesn’t seem like enough. I pretty much just use trail mode on the FF. 90 is more than I need unless I was commuting on the street. That said I haven’t ridden one yet. I just assume that trail would be somewhere closer to 60nm.

    I find that the 8lbs of battery in front of the levo really makes the front drop like a rock over jumps and drops. I really wanted the lighter front end just with a little more power. I also am concerned that the motor doesn’t kick in until higher rpms (from what I have heard). Is it possible to crank up the shuttle settings on the SL?

    I swapped out my previous Levo battery with the smaller one, the weight savings is significant and you def feel the diffrence going off drops. But in the end, even 3kg total savings off a FF levo…..cant come close to a SL

    if you are used to and need the power of a levo…the SL is not for you, even on trail mode, a FF has lot more oomph vs a SL on turbo. A FF can climb anything in almost any gear due to the torque. A Sl needs to be ridden like normal bike…if you arnt in the right gear…the motor will not help you at all

    i dont think the ppl who are saying the SL power is just nice are gatekeeping or elitist. The SL was built for specific niche of riding

  104. KSL Expert ordered. (y)

    For the British Columbia / Pacific Northwest, this KSL is made to order. Yes, FF is warranted on many climbs but as many here have said, Turbo mode often goes unused. Especially on tight switchbacks up the mountain. Range extender will be very handy though. Necessity for big days.

    Question:

    I’ve tried to tease the Praxis crank length out for the S3. I know the S4 is 170mm but is the S3 165mm?
    Anyone know?

  105. Exactly, i get sick of people saying that a long travel e bike does not turn fast enough.

    That’s not what I asked – I was wondering if the rear suspension was nudging the bike forward when it was hitting bumps on entry into corners, because that’s what it looked like in the video

    So I looked around a little and apparently specialized designed it to do this – transmit vertical forces into forward .

    This bike really appeals to me, but test riding one in a small rural australian town is essentially impossible, so my question remains – does that feel as scary as it looks?

  106. KSL Expert ordered. (y)

    For the British Columbia / Pacific Northwest, this KSL is made to order. Yes, FF is warranted on many climbs but as many here have said, Turbo mode often goes unused. Especially on tight switchbacks up the mountain. Range extender will be very handy though. Necessity for big days.

    Question:

    I’ve tried to tease the Praxis crank length out for the S3. I know the S4 is 170mm but is the S3 165mm?
    Anyone know?

    I’ll let you know on Sunday when I pick mine up.
    It’s an S3 KSL
    Where in bc are you ?

  107. That’s not what I asked – I was wondering if the rear suspension was nudging the bike forward when it was hitting bumps on entry into corners, because that’s what it looked like in the video

    So I looked around a little and apparently specialized designed it to do this – transmit vertical forces into forward .

    This bike really appeals to me, but test riding one in a small rural australian town is essentially impossible, so my question remains – does that feel as scary as it looks?

    I know it’s a trip for you, but if you come to the city you can have a go at mine. I’d be willing to meet at Buxton.

  108. I know it’s a trip for you, but if you come to the city you can have a go at mine. I’d be willing to meet at Buxton.

    Thanks for the offer, I’ll get back to you in a few weeks once I have a spare weekend. Have you kept the levo sl?

  109. Thanks for the offer, I’ll get back to you in a few weeks once I have a spare weekend. Have you kept the levo sl?

    Still have it atm but it’s going as soon as I swap over all the parts to the new bike.

  110. That’s not what I asked – I was wondering if the rear suspension was nudging the bike forward when it was hitting bumps on entry into corners, because that’s what it looked like in the video

    So I looked around a little and apparently specialized designed it to do this – transmit vertical forces into forward .

    This bike really appeals to me, but test riding one in a small rural australian town is essentially impossible, so my question remains – does that feel as scary as it looks?

    It’s the slightly rearward axle path in the initial part of the travel that I believe you are referencing. It’s designed to get less “hung up” on square edges and other bumps. That essential would mean less of a rearward acceleration. High pivots are gaining popularity for this reason these days (this bike doesn’t go that far in the extreme however)

    I think that this will translate to less feedback on repeated hits, but we will see

  111. Some entertaining comments here.

    My thoughts on SL vs FF. If you enjoy technical climbing as much as DH then the SL is not the best choice. DH it’s a different story for the SL. If you can afford it have both 😂

    I would really like to see a review of the KSL vs Rotwild E375. Anybody tried both?

  112. Daily rip on my Enduro is ~2,500’ in about 2hrs.

    Anyone know if I’d be able to double that with the KSL in the same timeframe(?).

    The downs are why I do this but the fitness component of riding is key for me. Not looking to shorten the ride but rather pack in twice the laps for the same exertion & timeframe.

    Oh… I’m 230lbs 😬

  113. That’s not what I asked – I was wondering if the rear suspension was nudging the bike forward when it was hitting bumps on entry into corners, because that’s what it looked like in the video

    So I looked around a little and apparently specialized designed it to do this – transmit vertical forces into forward .

    This bike really appeals to me, but test riding one in a small rural australian town is essentially impossible, so my question remains – does that feel as scary as it looks?

    The Kenevo SL should have a very similar kinematic to the 2020/21 Enduro.
    I own the Enduro and also the FF Kenevo and I can say that characteristic is very notable and is the reason why I purchased this bike. It is by far the best/fastest rear suspension ever tried. It accelerates on bumps instead of getting hooked as the Regular Kenevo does.

  114. Does anyone know if when and how much a alu model will be coming out ?

    In the pinkbike q+a with specialized on KSL release day they said no alloy, as it was too heavy to make sense for that frame/motor design.

  115. My guess is that it comes with a cheaper Sram transmission. NX maybe and it is heavy. Also, the brakes are probably Code’s cheapest and heaviest.
    I immediately switch to Shimano and the weight saving is in the 2 pound range
  116. Daily rip on my Enduro is ~2,500’ in about 2hrs.

    Anyone know if I’d be able to double that with the KSL in the same timeframe(?).

    The downs are why I do this but the fitness component of riding is key for me. Not looking to shorten the ride but rather pack in twice the laps for the same exertion & timeframe.

    Oh… I’m 230lbs 😬

    I mean you get 240 watts of power. That’s like having my legs pedaling for you. With chicks that ride it (not fattys) they are like rockets on the SL and I’m not even close on the ups. I think for sure you’d love it. Basically what the SL does for me is it’s 3-4 gears faster than my normal bike at same cadence. So yes faster when same energy is exerted(technically less energy because the shortened duration).

    these are amazing machines unless you’re just simply fecking a lazy POS.

  117. I mean you get 240 watts of power. That’s like having my legs pedaling for you. With chicks that ride it (not fattys) they are like rockets on the SL and I’m not even close on the ups. I think for sure you’d love it. Basically what the SL does for me is it’s 3-4 gears faster than my normal bike at same cadence. So yes faster when same energy is exerted(technically less energy because the shortened duration).

    these are amazing machines unless you’re just simply fucking a lazy POS.

    When you get the cadence up, I’ll confirm the SL does fly. I used to have a Kenevo and it wasn’t much faster when things got really steep. That’s difficult for any bike.

  118. When you get the cadence up, I’ll confirm the SL does fly. I used to have a Kenevo and it wasn’t much faster when things got really steep. That’s difficult for any bike.

    Yeah. But I think realistically the mean of biking skill and fitness on this forum is 90% of the members are in the bottom 20% of skill/fitness for sure, there are a grip of very skilled dudes who just are aging smartly here as well but statistically speaking the ones who ask questions are not able to answer their own questions from their own experience. 240watts is more than enough for anyone who’s fit and it’s perfect to get you fit.

    The K SL is really the perfect all around bike it’s just lazy fatties always keep trying to bring it down because they’ve lost too mush passion to feel alive in life. Or likely never have been alive.

  119. Yeah. But I think realistically the mean of biking skill and fitness on this forum is 90% of the members are in the bottom 20% of skill/fitness for sure, there are a grip of very skilled dudes who just are aging smartly here as well but statistically speaking the ones who ask questions are not able to answer their own questions from their own experience. 240watts is more than enough for anyone who’s fit and it’s perfect to get you fit.

    The K SL is really the perfect all around bike it’s just lazy fatties always keep trying to bring it down because they’ve lost too mush passion to feel alive in life. Or likely never have been alive.

    Christ what a load of horseshit! That’s extremely derogatory to the members on here.

    A lot of us go for a full fat because it offers a different riding experience, if anything the SL is for the lazy guys as why wouldn’t you just buy an Enduro if you’re are even remotely fit and want the best riding bike?

    In fact you could argue the issue with the SL, Is whats the point in buying it over the Enduro, which is going to be more fun at half the price. All the motor is doing is giving a bit of help, which to me is pointless on an EMTB as it’s not giving much of a difference to being on a normal bike except you can be lazier.

    So really you could say that the SL is for those who are too lazy to buy an enduro, or an Enduro for lazy fatties as you so nicely put it 😉

    It’s great that their are so many different flavours of EMTB now, but fitness plays a lot less of a factor in buying them than you might think

  120. Christ what a load of horseshit! That’s extremely derogatory to the members on here.

    A lot of us go for a full fat because it offers a different riding experience, if anything the SL is for the lazy guys as why wouldn’t you just buy an Enduro if you’re are even remotely fit and want the best riding bike?

    In fact you could argue the issue with the SL, Is whats the point in buying it over the Enduro, which is going to be more fun at half the price. All the motor is doing is giving a bit of help, which to me is pointless on an EMTB as it’s not giving much of a difference to being on a normal bike except you can be lazier.

    So really you could say that the SL is for those who are too lazy to buy an enduro, or an Enduro for lazy fatties as you so nicely put it 😉

    It’s great that their are so many different flavours of EMTB now, but fitness plays a lot less of a factor in buying them than you might think

    Hahaha. Awesome some people can roll with the punches. 🍻 -all valid point. After the first 3/4th lol

  121. I get the point you where making, for me the Kenevo SL is going to be an amazing bike if you ride the right terrain, but a bit pointless if you don’t.
  122. I get the point you where making, for me the Kenevo SL is going to be an amazing bike if you ride the right terrain, but a bit pointless if you don’t.

    This is true. In So Cal I feel the kenevo wont be as much fun as say an updated Levo Sl which will be as the enduro is to the Kenevo, the stump jumper evo will most likely be to a new levo sl. However, when you break into real DH territory at places like mammoth and gnarstar the kenevo will shine… Although the lifts make having the help of motor in your bike moot. The advantage of being able to have a bike to explore those off mountain trails would be huge especially if your only there for short windows of time and you want to cover the most ground while still having an awesome handling whip. Imagine the kenevo sl ripping whistler one day and being able to explore the epic riding outside of the bike parks like squamish, pemberton…. oh lord of the squirrels… open boarder open…

  123. Today I tested the Levo SL for the first time in the terrain where I usually ride. Test lenght was about 2 hours. Eco alone did well most of the time. About 20 km of loop and battery wore almost none.

    The purpose of the test was to experience how Kenovo SL might work. I think it works almost the same and even better when you have longer suspension reserve and angles can be adjusted. The loop was very rocky and had many large roots.

    Engine power was just right for me. Although there wasn’t much vertical, there were still Trail and Turbo modes left in the reserve.

  124. Today I tested the Levo SL for the first time in the terrain where I usually ride. Test lenght was about 2 hours. Eco alone did well most of the time. About 20 km of loop and battery wore almost none.

    The purpose of the test was to experience how Kenovo SL might work. I think almost the same and even better when you have longer suspension reserve and angles can be adjusted. The loop was very rocky and had many large roots.

    Engine power was just right for me. Although there wasn’t much vertical, there were still Trail and Turbo mods left in the reserve.

    If the Levo SL is a filet, the Kenevo SL is a filet with a lobster tail on top.

  125. lt’s great if you’ve got the money to buy a new VW Transporter and new high end Ebike plus all the gear
  126. Thank you! It’s like the SL has grown up and matured to the next level. Super stable, plush and composed. Can’t imagine having any other bike in the stable.

    what size did you get and how tall are you ? im 177cm and thinking of getting the S4 ,as i think S3 is to small and may feel cramped , but then 485 reach on S4 then a 35mm stem may work .

  127. can some body who has this bike measure from the floor to the top of the seat rails when slammed (seat post as far as it can go down and the dropper compressed) please .. i dont want to make a mistake . ive got a large levo SL to go by comparison . for my short arse legs but large torso .. i had to go with a one up dropper so when seat post is slammed my feet can touch the floor flat on the ground . reach is ok but could be a tad longer . so in theory im in between S3 & S4 ..
  128. what size did you get and how tall are you ? im 177cm and thinking of getting the S4 ,as i think S3 is to small and may feel cramped , but then 485 reach on S4 then a 35mm stem may work .

    I’m 5’10 and got an S2. Perfect size. I highly recommend watching the YouTube channel Joy of Bike video about bike sizing. It will blow your mind.

  129. can some body who has this bike measure from the floor to the top of the seat rails when slammed (seat post as far as it can go down and the dropper compressed) please .. i dont want to make a mistake . ive got a large levo SL to go by comparison . for my short arse legs but large torso .. i had to go with a one up dropper so when seat post is slammed my feet can touch the floor flat on the ground . reach is ok but could be a tad longer . so in theory im in between S3 & S4 ..

    820mm with the AXS 150mm seat which is around 40mm shorter the stock seat.
    Bikes an S3 and I’m 5’10, S4 would be too big.

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  130. I’m 5’10 and got an S2. Perfect size. I highly recommend watching the YouTube channel Joy of Bike video about bike sizing. It will blow your mind.

    im 5’10 but hearing lots of mixed stuff .. i think i will go S3 as ive got the Frameset on backorder for next month ..

  131. 820mm with the AXS 150mm seat which is around 40mm shorter the stock seat.
    Bikes an S3 and I’m 5’10, S4 would be too big.

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    Yep I’m going to go with S3 as S4 will be too big . This is my Levo SL but the seat post is raised for my missis and I’m about 2cm shorter on this setting as this dropper goes all the way into the seat tube and my missis even though 5’9 has longer legs than me . The stack height (collar) on the AXS dropper is huge compared to the one up 150mm as it’s the shortest stack seatpost out there at the moment . The medium frame on the Levo SL was to short for me so had to gamble which worked With the one up post but would love to use my fox factory 150 on the KSL .
    I have to lower the seat post by 10mm for my feet to touch the ground .

    thanks Alex & Christian.
    If you are not already there I have a Facebook group Levo SL & Kenevo SL owners group .. got a few good people in there with lots of knowledge , just not enough guys with KSL yet .
    There is also a standalone group which is new too .

  132. I still recommend watching the Joy of Bike video.

    wow great video .. S4 will be massive on me and will be a slog to control . damn all those points about pumping the bike and lifting it to jump .. haha making me think i need a longer bike .. when hes balancing on the bike and hos fists are behind the grips … need to do this with my levo sl ..

  133. I have an S4 coming on Saturday. 6’1" . Currently on an XL SL . SL feels good with seat slid fwd on rails. maybe a tad long in ETT. KSL will be a bit better there
  134. I am 5’8”. Rode S3 and was tad long for me. Ordered S2 frameset. This is a big bike.
  135. ive just done my rad on my Levo SL and according to the videos i just watched (joy of bike) my rad is 85cm making my SL , 2cm over .so its S3 for me wit 35cm stem .. ive got 50cm on my levo sl .
  136. I have an S4 coming on Saturday. 6’1" . Currently on an XL SL . SL feels good with seat slid fwd on rails. maybe a tad long in ETT. KSL will be a bit better there

    you on the Facebook SL group then ? joined 2 weeks ago ?

  137. ive just done my rad on my Levo SL and according to the videos i just watched (joy of bike) my rad is 85cm making my SL , 2cm over .so its S3 for me wit 35cm stem .. ive got 50cm on my levo sl .

    Good call and happy to help. 2cm over is a lot. I think the S3 will be your sweet spot. When you get the right size, it changes everything. Your arms won’t be tired from all that weight on them and most importantly, you’ll have balance on the bike which is a little helpful for jumps ;)

  138. S3:

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    I’m 175 cm tall with short(ish) legs.
    So lucky that the bike is perfect fit. Any shorter and the slammed dropper would need to be replaced with a OneUp.

    One issue so far just with riding up my back alley (setting up the suspension) is that the Roval rear hub was making a nasty sound from jumping pawls over teeth (pretty sure) – so I removed the cassette and freehub body.
    Cleaned / greased and reassembled.
    also torqued everything to spec.
    So far, so good but the quality in these wheels is suspect.
    (I’ll be swapping my WeAreOne Carbon wheels over this weekend anyway).

    This bike is dreams!

  139. Yep I’m going to go with S3 as S4 will be too big . This is my Levo SL but the seat post is raised for my missis and I’m about 2cm shorter on this setting as this dropper goes all the way into the seat tube and my missis even though 5’9 has longer legs than me . The stack height (collar) on the AXS dropper is huge compared to the one up 150mm as it’s the shortest stack seatpost out there at the moment . The medium frame on the Levo SL was to short for me so had to gamble which worked With the one up post but would love to use my fox factory 150 on the KSL .
    I have to lower the seat post by 10mm for my feet to touch the ground .

    thanks Alex & Christian.
    If you are not already there I have a Facebook group Levo SL & Kenevo SL owners group .. got a few good people in there with lots of knowledge , just not enough guys with KSL yet .
    There is also a standalone group which is new too .

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    100% S3, I came from a large Levo SL and this bike has the same feel just with a longer wheels base.
    Just came back from a lockdown ride around the creek trails and man it’s a beast. That rear end is as advertised. My local downhill stair case test became a ramp it was that smooth.

    I can’t wait for some real trails

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  140. @Christian Oh that looks dope. I was wondering how long it would take for someone to dual crown this bike! Also you would be proud I only used eco mode today :p
  141. Thanks mate, I had to wait 12 days to get it painted and I thought I was going to die.
    I’m really happy with it! We just went into another lockdown the same day I got it back so I can not wait to ride it proper.

    and good for you, need for big power! Build those legs up!

  142. @christian mind blown. At 6’4 230lbs the dual crown looks dreamy. Is the frame rated for it??
  143. I’ve asked for the workshop docs but not had anything yet.

    Spesh are normally pretty understanding on frame warranty, so whilst even if it’s not listed as covered, there’s a "chance" you’d be ok.

    He’s painted the frame anyway so doesn’t have a warranty.

  144. @zimmerframe good point re. paint / warranty. Actually more concerned about failing head tube than warranty – either stanchion strikes in a crash or just more force on the head tube. Also a warranty claim through Spesh right now is a 4-6 month affair. If you want to keep riding you’ll be buying another frame anyway (don’t ask how I know this :).
  145. @zimmerframe good point re. paint / warranty. Actually more concerned about failing head tube than warranty – either stanchion strikes in a crash or just more force on the head tube. Also a warranty claim through Spesh right now is a 4-6 month affair. If you want to keep riding you’ll be buying another frame anyway (don’t ask how I know this :).

    I know @Christian has a second frame on the way anyway ..

    Supply issues at the moment aren’t good globally for anything unfortunately. You could argue a double crown spreads the leverage forces more consistently between two points so is actually easier on a frame ?

  146. @christian mind blown. At 6’4 230lbs the dual crown looks dreamy. Is the frame rated for it??

    @zimmerframe good point re. paint / warranty. Actually more concerned about failing head tube than warranty – either stanchion strikes in a crash or just more force on the head tube. Also a warranty claim through Spesh right now is a 4-6 month affair. If you want to keep riding you’ll be buying another frame anyway (don’t ask how I know this :).

    l’ve ran the dual crown on 3 ebikes bikes now and no problems at all. The way I see it is there are two points of bracing at the top and bottom to share the load. If anything I think it’s better than a single crown for that reason. That’s how I justify it anyway. The travel change is only 10mm more so that should be within their 10%
    As for warranty yes it’s true apparently I have voided the warranty because I didn’t use an authorised painter. It was just a rub back and blend, no exposed carbon so it should still be warrantied. I have bike insurance anyway so I’m fully covered regardless.

  147. I know @Christian has a second frame on the way anyway ..

    Supply issues at the moment aren’t good globally for anything unfortunately. You could argue a double crown spreads the leverage forces more consistently between two points so is actually easier on a frame ?

    I just cancelled that order as I am in love with the grey now. I almost was going to just buy it and hang it up on the wall but I felt like that’s being selfish and bad karma. Someone else deserves the joy of having this bike.

  148. Also I would like to thank my LBS
    BIKE NOW Melbourne Australia and more importantly Doug as he went out of his way to make sure that I got this bike. He is a legend!
  149. he way my mind

    l’ve ran the dual crown on 3 ebikes bikes now and no problems at all. The way I see it is there are two points of bracing at the top and bottom to share the load. If anything I think it’s better than a single crown for that reason. That’s how I justify it anyway. The travel change is only 10mm more so that should be within their 10%
    As for warranty yes it’s true apparently I have voided the warranty because I didn’t use an authorised painter. It was just a rub back and blend, no exposed carbon so it should still be warrantied. I have bike insurance anyway so I’m fully covered regardless.

    The issue isn’t leverage its when you crash and the stoppers hit the frame. The frame needs to be strong from the sides. The forces are huge. You should see what it did my alu frame.

  150. The issue isn’t leverage its when you crash and the stoppers hit the frame. The frame needs to be strong from the sides. The forces are huge. You should see what it did my alu frame.

    Yeah makes sense. Well I have dual rubbers and lined them up on the bottom of the down tube. When that fails I have insurance.

  151. Yeah makes sense. Well I have dual rubbers and lined them up on the bottom of the down tube. When that fails I have insurance.

    I’d get 3 put on and maybe some impact rubber for the frame to spread the load. The rubbers are as much of a problem as anything else. You need to spread the force over a big area or those rubbers are like bullets hitting small surface area of the frame

  152. I’d get 3 put on and maybe some impact rubber for the frame to spread the load. The rubbers are as much of a problem as anything else. You need to spread the force over a big area or those rubbers are like bullets hitting small surface area of the frame

    Well I had no issues with the Levo SL so I think this one will be fine. Like I said my insurance will cover it so all good. 🤙

  153. 100% S3, I came from a large Levo SL and this bike has the same feel just with a longer wheels base.
    Just came back from a lockdown ride around the creek trails and man it’s a beast. That rear end is as advertised. My local downhill stair case test became a ramp it was that smooth.

    I can’t wait for some real trails

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    Amazing spec! I look at this and think, this is what I thought the Kenevo SL would have been. Kenevo and a dual crown fork is what has come to define what it is. Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE my Kenevo but can’t help but wonder what it would be like with this set up – of course the motor would have then needed 10-20Nm of added torque to deal with the weight.

  154. On a separate note, does anyone know how to reset some TCU data like riding time, calories etc?
  155. S3:

    I’m 175 cm tall with short(ish) legs.

    I am 170cm with 30" inseam legs. I felt that an Enduro S2 was to small so i ordered a S3 Kenevo SL. Now seeing a number of comments on how big the bike actually fits i am wondering if i should have ordered an S2 Kenevo SL. Any thoughts from peoples experience?

  156. I am 170cm with 30" inseam legs. I felt that an Enduro S2 was to small so i ordered a S3 Kenevo SL. Now seeing a number of comments on how big the bike actually fits i am wondering if i should have ordered an S2 Kenevo SL. Any thoughts from peoples experience?

    I’m 177 cm and the S2 fits perfectly. If you can make a switch, I highly recommend it.

  157. I am 170cm with 30" inseam legs. I felt that an Enduro S2 was to small so i ordered a S3 Kenevo SL. Now seeing a number of comments on how big the bike actually fits i am wondering if i should have ordered an S2 Kenevo SL. Any thoughts from peoples experience?

    You might be bang on. my Inseam is 30”
    I ordered a OneUp 150mm dropper to get the seat a bit lower on descents, but honestly, the slammed stock dropper position and max extension is actually perfect for me.
    You can also go with a little thicker profile pedal. I’m using OneUp and they’re really low profile.
    It also come stock with a 50mm stem, so you can play with that too.

    I bet you’ll love the S3.

  158. I am 170cm with 30" inseam legs. I felt that an Enduro S2 was to small so i ordered a S3 Kenevo SL. Now seeing a number of comments on how big the bike actually fits i am wondering if i should have ordered an S2 Kenevo SL. Any thoughts from peoples experience?

    I rode S3 and tad long for me. I ordered S2. BTW – I am 5’8”. The owner of my LBS is about 5’9”/5’10 and he rode S3 for a month before its release and he will be getting S2 as well.

  159. I rode S3 and tad long for me. I ordered S2. BTW – I am 5’8”. The owner of my LBS is about 5’9”/5’10 and he rode S3 for a month before its release and he will be getting S2 as well.

    I ride an S3 Enduro and really like it. Hope I didn’t mess up and blindly buy the wrong size. Have an S3 Kenevo frame on order. 5’6.5”. :)

  160. So how are folks setting up suspension? 30% sag? I can’t seem to find what the stock recommendations are. I know that some specialized bikes are very sensitive to sag

    oh and got my bike today!

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  161. So how are folks setting up suspension? 30% sag?

    I started at 28% sag on the shock and went with Fox recommendations, from their site.
    So far I have deviated to 30% sag on the shock with a bit more compression. The fork is pretty damn good at Fox setting for my weight… just a bit more slow speed compression and a little more H&L rebound.
    I’m coming off a Zeb Ultimate and haven’t decided if I liked that fork more or not yet.
    2 rides only so far.

  162. First ride report (Expert, S4, Banana):

    She rips! Super short loop with some of the steeper, chunkier sections near me. Bike is just so composed. Coming from the Levo SL (wayyyy not stock: 170mm fork, 63.6 HTA, mullet, cascade link w/20% progressivity, EXT Storia) – the immediate things I noticed is that this bike just feels more solid. More stable – flip side being it takes more effort to direct it, but holds lines better. This is firmly an enduro bike, but it’s comfortable pedaling and doesn’t feel mushy.

    I am going to do a bigger loop on more sustained tech-flow trails which will be a real shake down. Ride report will follow after I get a better feel for it.

    Random notes:

    1. Handlebars are 35mm diameter. I probably should have known that, but I was surprised.
    2. Bike came with T7 Butcher 2.3 F, T9 Butcher 2.3 R – both grid trail. I had seen eliminator on some of the reviews
    3. The S4 came with a 170mm dropper. Pleasantly surprised as I thought it was going to be a 150mm. I haven’t measured, but I have plenty of room to put in a 210mm OneUp if I want.

    I may try swapping my Mezzer at some point to try out, but dang that 38 feels good from the get go. I will also end up swapping wheels from my SL, tires w/inserts, AXS. Still deciding on the brakes and if I can get along with Codes again.

  163. First ride report (Expert, S4, Banana):

    She rips! Super short loop with some of the steeper, chunkier sections near me. Bike is just so composed. Coming from the Levo SL (wayyyy not stock: 170mm fork, 63.6 HTA, mullet, cascade link w/20% progressivity, EXT Storia) – the immediate things I noticed is that this bike just feels more solid. More stable – flip side being it takes more effort to direct it, but holds lines better. This is firmly an enduro bike, but it’s comfortable pedaling and doesn’t feel mushy.

    I am going to do a bigger loop on more sustained tech-flow trails which will be a real shake down. Ride report will follow after I get a better feel for it.

    Random notes:

    1. Handlebars are 35mm diameter. I probably should have known that, but I was surprised.
    2. Bike came with T7 Butcher 2.3 F, T9 Butcher 2.3 R – both grid trail. I had seen eliminator on some of the reviews
    3. The S4 came with a 170mm dropper. Pleasantly surprised as I thought it was going to be a 150mm. I haven’t measured, but I have plenty of room to put in a 210mm OneUp if I want.

    I may try swapping my Mezzer at some point to try out, but dang that 38 feels good from the get go. I will also end up swapping wheels from my SL, tires w/inserts, AXS. Still deciding on the brakes and if I can get along with Codes again.

    Damn this lockdown shit, the day I get my bike together!
    Can’t wait to ride it now!

  164. I know @Christian has a second frame on the way anyway ..

    Supply issues at the moment aren’t good globally for anything unfortunately. You could argue a double crown spreads the leverage forces more consistently between two points so is actually easier on a frame ?

    yeah maybe! Intuitively it seems like single crown forks just flex so much on big hucks (PB huck to flat slo-mos), whereas all that energy gets transferred directly to the head tube with the rigidity of a duel crown(?). I’m no engineer tho…

  165. For those running the Range Extender – do you happen to have the Part Number, or a link to the correct cable? Manual calls for a 285mm cable which I can’t seem to find online
  166. Bike came with T7 Butcher 2.3 F, T9 Butcher 2.3 R – both grid trail.

    How are those tires ? Should you consider going bigger ?
    I am used to a bit wider tires not much but running 2.5 and 2.4 at the moment on the analog.

  167. How are those tires ? Should you consider going bigger ?
    I am used to a bit wider tires not much but running 2.5 and 2.4 at the moment on the analog.

    The tires look about 2.4 ish. A tad bit less rounded than a 2.5 would look I think. It really depends on your terrain and preferences imo. After two rides, I can say these tires roll slow on pavement (ride to the trail) , grip really well, brake well, and feel robust. Granted this was all with stock wheels and tubes still, but these tires feel like what I would want at a bike park or where it’s steep and loose

    Swapping to my carbon wheelset with cushcore xc inserts, 2.5 tioga edge front , and 2.4 versus rear I lost about 900 grams of rolling weight. I haven’t ridden those outside the yard yet on this bike, but wow it’s definitely a noticeable difference of bike liveliness. I will see how they do on the trail, but given my experience on the SL, I imagine it will be fun

  168. I can not lie … i was pretty stoked today to walk into a bike shop in Pentiction, BC and see a Kenevo SL S-Works on display. At the same time … i was bummed to confirm that i am a S2 guy. That frame would have been way too big but iLuv the bike. On a positive note the Enduro S2 is actually bang on my RAD size (800mm) :) That means the Kenevoe SL (preferably Expert or Comp Carbon) should be a match made i heaven for me … now to find lucky partner in crime to ride with!!!

    Anyone in BC interior looking for a S3 S-Works?

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  169. I’ve asked for the workshop docs but not had anything yet.

    Spesh are normally pretty understanding on frame warranty, so whilst even if it’s not listed as covered, there’s a "chance" you’d be ok.

    He’s painted the frame anyway so doesn’t have a warranty.

    As for warranty on the frame, Christian should still have valid frame warranty as per the conversation I had with specialized, as long as all these are followed. Hopefully his serial number is not painted over.

    “ Custom Paint – Specialized has told me that if a customer wants to paint their bike, There are two requirements. Otherwise it does void warranty.
    1, It must be painted professionally, not by someone in a garage or by spray paint.
    2, they must leave the serial number visible and not paint over it. ”

  170. I can not lie … i was pretty stoked today to walk into a bike shop in Pentiction, BC and see a Kenevo SL S-Works on display. At the same time … i was bummed to confirm that i am a S2 guy. That frame would have been way too big but iLuv the bike. On a positive note the Enduro S2 is actually bang on my RAD size (800mm) :) That means the Kenevoe SL (preferably Expert or Comp Carbon) should be a match made i heaven for me … now to find lucky partner in crime to ride with!!!

    Anyone in BC interior looking for a S3 S-Works?

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    I actually am! Message me

  171. 1, It must be painted professionally, not by someone in a garage or by spray paint.

    He’s in Australia. I’m pretty sure it was painted by several domesticated and highly trained Kangaroos with Rattle cans – they certainly would have been outside and not in a Garage.

    2, they must leave the serial number visible and not paint over it.

    Probably a 50/50 chance they missed that area.

  172. One thing I forgot to mention that I found surprising, was that the stock Expert wheelset weights with rotors, tires and tubes (rear with cassette as well) were heavier than I expected:

    Front: 2.970kg
    Rear: 2.870kg

    I thought I got my numbers wrong at first because having the front heavier than the rear with a cassette was super surprising. The T7 Grid Trail Butcher must be 1200g+. They definitely feel heavy/beefy on the trail. I will weight the tires specifically when I remove them at some point. Obviously, removing the tubes will drop 300-400grams, but I would gain half of that back with inserts (Tannus Tubeless most likely).

  173. He’s in Australia. I’m pretty sure it was painted by several domesticated and highly trained Kangaroos with Rattle cans – they certainly would have been outside and not in a Garage.

    Probably a 50/50 chance they missed that area.

    Yes correct my pet Kangaroo done the job for me in my bedroom workshop. I paid him in beers and lawn clippings, he was pretty stoked! Said he was happy just to advertise his business on the forums.
    SKIPPY Customs if anyones looking for carbon repairs or paint jobs. Happy to hop on down to you for a free quote.

  174. First ride report (Expert, S4, Banana):

    She rips! Super short loop with some of the steeper, chunkier sections near me. Bike is just so composed. Coming from the Levo SL (wayyyy not stock: 170mm fork, 63.6 HTA, mullet, cascade link w/20% progressivity, EXT Storia) – the immediate things I noticed is that this bike just feels more solid. More stable – flip side being it takes more effort to direct it, but holds lines better. This is firmly an enduro bike, but it’s comfortable pedaling and doesn’t feel mushy.

    I am going to do a bigger loop on more sustained tech-flow trails which will be a real shake down. Ride report will follow after I get a better feel for it.

    Random notes:

    1. Handlebars are 35mm diameter. I probably should have known that, but I was surprised.
    2. Bike came with T7 Butcher 2.3 F, T9 Butcher 2.3 R – both grid trail. I had seen eliminator on some of the reviews
    3. The S4 came with a 170mm dropper. Pleasantly surprised as I thought it was going to be a 150mm. I haven’t measured, but I have plenty of room to put in a 210mm OneUp if I want.

    I may try swapping my Mezzer at some point to try out, but dang that 38 feels good from the get go. I will also end up swapping wheels from my SL, tires w/inserts, AXS. Still deciding on the brakes and if I can get along with Codes again.

    Awesome. Someone coming off a Mezzer that can compare the 38! Keen to hear your thoughts on the two.

    Love the bike mate. I think this is the one to get me back to an emtb.

  175. Awesome. Someone coming off a Mezzer that can compare the 38! Keen to hear your thoughts on the two.

    Love the bike mate. I think this is the one to get me back to an emtb.

    I need some more rides on the 38. So far – I like it. It definitely seems more progressive than what I had the Mezzer setup, but I adjust4df the spring rate a bit and need to ride again. I had the Mezzer a bit more linear with the main and IRT ratios, because it has pretty good midstroke and bottom out with the HBO. I probably will throw the Mezzer on the KSL at some point, but probably not after a few dozen rides on the 38 to get it well sorted. I think the Mezzer should be 300 ish grams lighter from what I have read as well, which is not insignificant.

  176. I need some more rides on the 38. So far – I like it. It definitely seems more progressive than what I had the Mezzer setup, but I adjust4df the spring rate a bit and need to ride again. I had the Mezzer a bit more linear with the main and IRT ratios, because it has pretty good midstroke and bottom out with the HBO. I probably will throw the Mezzer on the KSL at some point, but probably not after a few dozen rides on the 38 to get it well sorted. I think the Mezzer should be 300 ish grams lighter from what I have read as well, which is not insignificant.

    when i get my frameset im going to be putting my Lyrik 160s on upgraded to 2021 debonair 170 air shaft . will see how i get on with them as i do like the forks ..

  177. Most reviews say that the 38 blows through its travel pretty quickly. Adding more tokens and a few PSI should help. I finally ordered the Fox top cap socket so that I can try it out. Medium sized drops like 4 ft will use all of the travel. Not a feeling that I really enjoy :p

    Also thats why its so plush on small chatter.

  178. Most reviews say that the 38 blows through its travel pretty quickly. Adding more tokens and a few PSI should help. I finally ordered the Fox top cap socket so that I can try it out. Medium sized drops like 4 ft will use all of the travel. Not a feeling that I really enjoy :p

    Also thats why its so plush on small chatter.

    So far in a limited sample size, that hasn’t been my experience. Even with some bigger hits, I only used about 70% of travel. It felt a tad stiff, but super composed. The Mezzer, how I had it setup, I would usually get to 90-95% travel on a ride at least once (again HBO helps make that super smooth). HSC was backed off completely

    The 38 i lowered a few PSI and have HSC and LSC mostly open. Hoping to get out today to have another ride. Volume spacers could be a ticket as well, especially since you can tune HSR independently. I like my forks pretty fast on rebound to deal with chatter, but not living in the mid stroke.

  179. Most reviews say that the 38 blows through its travel pretty quickly. Adding more tokens and a few PSI should help. I finally ordered the Fox top cap socket so that I can try it out. Medium sized drops like 4 ft will use all of the travel. Not a feeling that I really enjoy :p

    Also thats why its so plush on small chatter.

    Most issues with 38’s are because of 3 reason:
    -Too much grease on shaft causing bad functioning of both chambers
    -Poor setup of HSC/LSC
    -38’s doesnt works that good on the low side of PSI’s

  180. Maybe that read wrong – the 38 is best feeling fork that I have ridden so far. I am just the type of rider that wants a lot of mid-stroke support. I like jumps and drops and I want the bike to take the big hits without compressing all the way down. If the front end drops 85mm on landing you will eat shit eventually o_O
  181. Alright more of a mini-review now that i have a few rides (see my previous "first ride" report for initial details):

    This bike is amazing. Most bikes that I have ridden to date really needed something to get it where I wanted the bike. This one.. not so much. FIt is great. Suspension flat out works (and I am not even 100% dialed). New firmware feels more natural , and the bike sounds quieter than my SL most of the time. I swapped my carbon wheelset (~ 2lbs lighter overall than the stock wheelset with tubes), which made things a bit nimbler and faster rolling. I may put on different handlebars and mess with stem length, but that’s just fine tuning.

    Climbing – Climbs better than my SL. The steep STA majorly helps with body position. The pedaling performance feels better too. Could be placebo, as I do see the shock bob when I look down, but it feels like it’s bobbing less. The technical climbing is a amazing. It just motors over everything. That rearward axle path really does feel like it accelerates on bumps vs. get hung up.

    Descending – I am pretty sure I will smash all of my standing PRs over the next few weeks. My SL was my best descending bike. This is better. It’s more smash through lines than wriggle around things, but I wouldn’t describe it as a pure "plow" bike. The suspension has good feedback when pumping, etc. Jumping is balanced, but I am still getting the feel for timing, pop, etc. My trails are generally, loose and rocky or steep tech/flow. This bike was made for that. I have not taken this on mellower terrain. I wouldn’t have an issue pedaling this for a long time, but for "XC" riding, I would prefer my hardtail unless I need to get from A to B in the shortest amount of time.

    Cornering – The KSL likes to carves corners vs. slash in my limited time on it so far. I think it’s the balance and length making cornering more of a process vs. squaring off everything in sight. Granted, I am coming from a mullet setup, but It’s an interesting feeling. Higher speed the better, which will make it great on machine built trails. The suspension works in your favor here as well as it seems to accelerate on bumps.

    Battery Range – I haven’t pushed this yet, but it seems on par with my SL. I adjusted my "trail mode" to 30/90 or something like that, which I use 90% of the time. I could get 25mil and 4kft in that mode by my estimates. This matches the SL . I will say that the stock wheels + tires felt slow rolling on the pavement. Trail speed they were fine.

    Motor – It’s the same as the SL – no real surprises. Torque may be a bit smoother at startup, and it sounds quieter. That may be an artifact of beefier frame and shock layout, but I was surprised. It’s less of a high pitch whine.

    Components – Spec is spot on. Nothing to complain about yet. Well.. it could have been $4k cheaper :)
    Fox 38 : I really like this fork so far. I am not dialed in completely, but it’s supportive, plush, stiff – everything you could ask for.
    Fox X2 – pretty good so far as well. I haven’t gotten the front and rear to be 100% balanced yet, but I think that I should get there in a ride or two more.
    Code RS : Pretty darn good stopping power with the 220mm front rotor.
    Wheelset: Seems solid, but most likely will go as a backup. I am keen to through a 36t ratchet in there with the new internals.
    Tires : Beefy and grippy but slow rolling. These may see park duty

    Other notes – This bike feels big. It’s long, slack, and a tad bit heavier than what I am used to. It’s harder to manual (but I suck at those anyways). Best way I can say it is that my Levo SL (again.. heavily pushed towards the aggro spectrum) was a solid All Mountain bike with just "ok" climbing performance due to the slack STA, and the KSL is a pure enduro bike. Probably still in the honeymoon, but this feels like the bike I have been looking for over the past few bikes. Let’s hope I can stay content for once :)

  182. Maybe that read wrong – the 38 is best feeling fork that I have ridden so far. I am just the type of rider that wants a lot of mid-stroke support. I like jumps and drops and I want the bike to take the big hits without compressing all the way down. If the front end drops 85mm on landing you will eat shit eventually o_O

    Get something with a third air chamber (mezzer, ohlins, ext era) for that mid stroke. Or add a Vorsprung Secus. Or go coil.

    You can also tweak the HSC to add more impact support . Probably would try that first

  183. Alright more of a mini-review now that i have a few rides (see my previous "first ride" report for initial details):

    This bike is amazing. Most bikes that I have ridden to date really needed something to get it where I wanted the bike. This one.. not so much. FIt is great. Suspension flat out works (and I am not even 100% dialed). New firmware feels more natural , and the bike sounds quieter than my SL most of the time. I swapped my carbon wheelset (~ 2lbs lighter overall than the stock wheelset with tubes), which made things a bit nimbler and faster rolling. I may put on different handlebars and mess with stem length, but that’s just fine tuning.

    Climbing – Climbs better than my SL. The steep STA majorly helps with body position. The pedaling performance feels better too. Could be placebo, as I do see the shock bob when I look down, but it feels like it’s bobbing less. The technical climbing is a amazing. It just motors over everything. That rearward axle path really does feel like it accelerates on bumps vs. get hung up.

    Descending – I am pretty sure I will smash all of my standing PRs over the next few weeks. My SL was my best descending bike. This is better. It’s more smash through lines than wriggle around things, but I wouldn’t describe it as a pure "plow" bike. The suspension has good feedback when pumping, etc. Jumping is balanced, but I am still getting the feel for timing, pop, etc. My trails are generally, loose and rocky or steep tech/flow. This bike was made for that. I have not taken this on mellower terrain. I wouldn’t have an issue pedaling this for a long time, but for "XC" riding, I would prefer my hardtail unless I need to get from A to B in the shortest amount of time.

    Cornering – The KSL likes to carves corners vs. slash in my limited time on it so far. I think it’s the balance and length making cornering more of a process vs. squaring off everything in sight. Granted, I am coming from a mullet setup, but It’s an interesting feeling. Higher speed the better, which will make it great on machine built trails. The suspension works in your favor here as well as it seems to accelerate on bumps.

    Battery Range – I haven’t pushed this yet, but it seems on par with my SL. I adjusted my "trail mode" to 30/90 or something like that, which I use 90% of the time. I could get 25mil and 4kft in that mode by my estimates. This matches the SL . I will say that the stock wheels + tires felt slow rolling on the pavement. Trail speed they were fine.

    Motor – It’s the same as the SL – no real surprises. Torque may be a bit smoother at startup, and it sounds quieter. That may be an artifact of beefier frame and shock layout, but I was surprised. It’s less of a high pitch whine.

    Components – Spec is spot on. Nothing to complain about yet. Well.. it could have been $4k cheaper :)
    Fox 38 : I really like this fork so far. I am not dialed in completely, but it’s supportive, plush, stiff – everything you could ask for.
    Fox X2 – pretty good so far as well. I haven’t gotten the front and rear to be 100% balanced yet, but I think that I should get there in a ride or two more.
    Code RS : Pretty darn good stopping power with the 220mm front rotor.
    Wheelset: Seems solid, but most likely will go as a backup. I am keen to through a 36t ratchet in there with the new internals.
    Tires : Beefy and grippy but slow rolling. These may see park duty

    Other notes – This bike feels big. It’s long, slack, and a tad bit heavier than what I am used to. It’s harder to manual (but I suck at those anyways). Best way I can say it is that my Levo SL (again.. heavily pushed towards the aggro spectrum) was a solid All Mountain bike with just "ok" climbing performance due to the slack STA, and the KSL is a pure enduro bike. Probably still in the honeymoon, but this feels like the bike I have been looking for over the past few bikes. Let’s hope I can stay content for once :)

    Are you going to try the smaller rear wheel? High BB and steep headset cup should get you into some nice numbers. Coil shock?

  184. Random thought re. seat post insertion: Looks from the user manual diagram that Spesh has reamed the seat tube to limit insertion depth. I’m guessing could be related to cracking issues with enduro shock tunnels, which may have been triggered by dropping in the post and having the pointy mechanism smash into the roof of the shock tunnel and potentially starting a hairline crack from the inside. Just conjecture, but could explain this weird crack that a lot of folks saw.

    ANYWAY… if you’re needing an extra few mm of insertion depth on your Kenevo SL you might try using a smaller diameter post with an adapter shim to potentially bypass the ream limit.

    My frame hasn’t arrived yet, so no idea if it works. Just thought I’d throw it out there in case it’s a problem solver for some.

  185. Random thought re. seat post insertion: Looks from the user manual diagram that Spesh has reamed the seat tube to limit insertion depth. I’m guessing could be related to cracking issues with enduro shock tunnels, which may have been triggered by dropping in the post and having the pointy mechanism smash into the roof of the shock tunnel and potentially starting a hairline crack from the inside. Just conjecture, but could explain this weird crack that a lot of folks saw.

    ANYWAY… if you’re needing an extra few mm of insertion depth on your Kenevo SL you might try using a smaller diameter post with an adapter shim to potentially bypass the ream limit.

    My frame hasn’t arrived yet, so no idea if it works. Just thought I’d throw it out there in case it’s a problem solver for some.

    I did some measuring and I can push the seat post in about 21mm further than I have it set currently with the stock 170mm manic. That would put me right between a 200-210 one up when considering the overall length. This is on the S4, and I am 6’1 with about a 33” inseam

  186. Are you going to try the smaller rear wheel? High BB and steep headset cup should get you into some nice numbers. Coil shock?

    I may try the mullet at sometime point. It would have to go to the steep headset cup and high bb. I do feel like you would lose some of the rear wheel roll over feel that I am enjoying at the moment, but it’s probably worth an experiment or two.

    Not sure on the shock. It’s so good right now I will have to give it a think. I am most likely going to sell the SL and will miss the EXT. so who knows?

  187. I may try the mullet at sometime point. It would have to go to the steep headset cup and high bb. I do feel like you would lose some of the rear wheel roll over feel that I am enjoying at the moment, but it’s probably worth an experiment or two.

    Not sure on the shock. It’s so good right now I will have to give it a think. I am most likely going to sell the SL and will miss the EXT. so who knows?

    Just got an EXT for my Enduro. Bike rides absolutely perfect now. And now I’m selling it for this (face palm).

  188. Just got an EXT for my Enduro. Bike rides absolutely perfect now. And now I’m selling it for this (face palm).

    I am sure this shock would be amazing on this bike. The new e-storia looks to address any of the items that I was still sorting out as well. Sigh… I am going to need to keep this bike a few years I think to justify everything. Stop making new, good bikes @Specialized Rider Care :)

  189. ANYWAY… if you’re needing an extra few mm of insertion depth on your Kenevo SL you might try using a smaller diameter post with an adapter shim to potentially bypass the ream limit.

    I just installed a OneUp 150mm on my S3.
    Perfection.
    The stock Dropper was close but not letting me get the seat out of the way enough.
    With the OneUp I’m able to meet my descent position requirements and maintain the climbing (full extension) height that works for me.

  190. Can the Kenevo SL be ridden with the main battery removed and with the extender in place? I’m trying to ascertain if I can take this bike on a plane.
    Any post purchase regret from anyone?
  191. Can the Kenevo SL be ridden with the main battery removed and with the extender in place? I’m trying to ascertain if I can take this bike on a plane.
    Any post purchase regret from anyone?

    should be the same as the SL – so yes.

    No regrets yet. It’s a big bike (duh). So if your terrain is mellow, be realistic on what you are looking for. That’s probably an obvious statement

  192. No regrets here either. Just rode 20 miles on the thing in steep tech. Handled it like a champ. I would buy it all over again :)
  193. I did some measuring and I can push the seat post in about 21mm further than I have it set currently with the stock 170mm manic. That would put me right between a 200-210 one up when considering the overall length. This is on the S4, and I am 6’1 with about a 33” inseam

    How are you going weighting the front in turns? We are the same size and I’m considering sizing down to the S3 and running a 45 or 50mm stem. Bit of a risk but comparing the geo to my two current bikes (large Titan 40mm stem 12 degree backsweep bars and medium Phantom 40mm stem 8 degree bars) it’s not a crazy change.
    I had an XL Hightower and whilst it was fine for straight line bombing I found it cumbersome and tiring having to weight the front so much to get grip (same as the large Yeti).
    I think the price of this one is making me analyze it to death!

  194. How are you going weighting the front in turns? We are the same size and I’m considering sizing down to the S3 and running a 45 or 50mm stem. Bit of a risk but comparing the geo to my two current bikes (large Titan 40mm stem 12 degree backsweep bars and medium Phantom 40mm stem 8 degree bars) it’s not a crazy change.
    I had an XL Hightower and whilst it was fine for straight line bombing I found it cumbersome and tiring having to weight the front so much to get grip (same as the large Yeti).
    I think the price of this one is making me analyze it to death!

    It feels really balanced in turns. Ironically, the only time I washed out to date was in the parking lot when I was testing it out (oil spot on pavement). I was on an XL Levo SL before this (480mm w/45mm stem), and I have an XL paradox v3 (497mm reach w/35mm stem). The lower stack height on the KSL feels more spot on than the higher stack on the SL (which I was running even higher with a 170mm fork). The bike feels a bit more roomy, and I may go down to a 45 or 40mm stem to test out, but I could ride the bike as is and be fine with it.

    Seated – I am digging the steeper seat tube angle. Feels better climbing than the SL, even around switchbacks. Granted, my SL has a slacked effective STA given the mods, but I believe this would hold true in stock form as well.

    The only reason I would want an S3 is if I really did a lot of tight turns up and down or tight tech crawling. That’s just me, but I have realized that my style is "go fast as possible down the trail" . Granted, that is not very fast still, but the KSL allows for whatever speed I can handle. :)

  195. Just a note about the Float X2 (performance) On my Expert.
    Came stock with 0 volume reducers. I’m 96 kg and feel I need a bit more progression in the end of the stroke.
    I added 2 bands and will test tomorrow.

    It was close to perfect with 0 reducer bands, just trying to balance out the occasional big hit vs the more common riding experience.

    If anyone is interested, I can report back after doing some bracket testing.

  196. Just a note about the Float X2 (performance) On my Expert.
    Came stock with 0 volume reducers. I’m 96 kg and feel I need a bit more progression in the end of the stroke.
    I added 2 bands and will test tomorrow.

    It was close to perfect with 0 reducer bands, just trying to balance out the occasional big hit vs the more common riding experience.

    If anyone is interested, I can report back after doing some bracket testing.

    Good note. I have added a bit of air on mine (at 220psi for my 80kg weight), but it does seem to use a bit more travel in the rear than front. It’s still really darn good though, but I am curious about the volume spacers.

    would love to hear how you get on with the testing!

  197. Another note, I Ride Wrapped my Kenevo SL (full bike specific coverage)
    Install was good. I took about 3 hours and kinda enjoyed the process.

    It feels good to know the frame is covered in a protection.

    Any questions, let me know.

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  198. Another note, I Ride Wrapped my Kenevo SL (full bike specific coverage)
    Install was good. I took about 3 hours and kinda enjoyed the process.

    It feels good to know the frame is covered in a protection.

    Any questions, let me know.

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    I want to do that as well but am having too much fun riding the darn thing..

    Did the process require you stripping down the bike to the bare frame ? I am loathe to disconnect the brakes and have to re bleed (lazy – I know )

  199. Did the process require you stripping down the bike to the bare frame ? I am loathe to disconnect the brakes and have to re bleed (lazy – I know )

    No, I removed wheels, chain, derailleur, motor bash cover and bottle cage.
    The rest was just making sure the frame was clean and my hands stayed clean.
    I put bleed blocks in the callipers, just to be safe.

  200. How’s the dh22 roll resistance?

    I thought I’d notice it more from the Butchers but I didn’t.
    I thought the Butcher tires are pretty good.
    The Michelin DH 22 / 34 combo has been amazing here in BC on the North Shore.

  201. Funny story – so my pressure gauge that I use for my tires seems to be off. I compared to a friend’s yesterday, and he was reading about 6 PSI higher than mine. So instead of what I thought was my typical ~21/23 PSI setup ( with cushcore XC), I had been closer to 27/30. Now, I am questioning whether I was ever running that low of pressure, or when my gauge broke. I let out some air at the top of our favorite DH, and proceed to have my fastest time ever. Suspension felt great, and I felt like my rebound was a tad fast (usually felt slow). I must have been pinging off of rocks and getting some weird hysteresis effect on fast bumps.
  202. Just got my kenevo sl expert. I pulled the too short 150mm dropper to install my OneUp 180mm dropper. I can no figure out how to get the new cable housing installed. Has anyone done this yet?
  203. Just got my kenevo sl expert. I pulled the too short 150mm dropper to install my OneUp 180mm dropper. I can no figure out how to get the new cable housing installed. Has anyone done this yet?

    Did you pull the housing out?
    Or are you just reusing the stock one?
    I reused the stock housing and put a new cable in with my OneUp dropper.

  204. Just got my kenevo sl expert. I pulled the too short 150mm dropper to install my OneUp 180mm dropper. I can no figure out how to get the new cable housing installed. Has anyone done this yet?

    I just figured it out. You have to take out the cable port guide at the head tube so you can feed the housing at an angle into the down tube. If you don’t, the housing doesn’t go into the down tube. It goes straight into the top tube. In hindsight I should have used a housing barb and pulled the new housing through when I pulled the existing housing from the frame. I’m always a genius after the fact😂.

  205. Just a note about the Float X2 (performance) On my Expert.
    Came stock with 0 volume reducers. I’m 96 kg and feel I need a bit more progression in the end of the stroke.
    I added 2 bands and will test tomorrow.

    It was close to perfect with 0 reducer bands, just trying to balance out the occasional big hit vs the more common riding experience.

    If anyone is interested, I can report back after doing some bracket testing.

    I’m interested!

  206. I’m interested!

    Have you set your fork and shock to Fox’s recommendations? According to Fox I should have 100-105 psi for my weight. That feels very stiff and I’m only using 60-70% of the travel. The shock is pretty close with Fox’s recommended settings.

  207. Did you pull the housing out?
    Or are you just reusing the stock one?
    I reused the stock housing and put a new cable in with my OneUp dropper.

    I did not reuse the stock housing. I’m able to fit a 210mm dropper switching to the OneUp. The stock dropper is at the minimum insertion and I still can’t get the seat as high as I need. For being 5’ 10”” I have a long inseam and wingspan so I always have to change seatposts and stem length to get a proper fit. It was the cheap Jagwire housing and cable. I always change the stock cables and housing for the good Shimano Teflon lined housing and coated cables. I find it makes a noticeable difference in shifting and dropper performance, as well as not needing to change cables as often.

  208. Have you set your fork and shock to Fox’s recommendations? According to Fox I should have 100-105 psi for my weight. That feels very stiff and I’m only using 60-70% of the travel. The shock is pretty close with Fox’s recommended settings.

    I noticed the same thing.
    Fox recommend 115 psi but I’m down to 105 – 108 with a 3rd token (testing this weekend)
    The Fork felt decent but I’d rather use a token and bring the compression down a little.
    Sag is at 20% with 107psi

    As for the shock, I started with fox recommendations but I also want to try a bit less low speed compression with these 2 bands. Psi is also a tad lower.
    Sag is at 27%

  209. I noticed the same thing.
    Fox recommend 115 psi but I’m down to 105 – 108 with a 3rd token (testing this weekend)
    The Fork felt decent but I’d rather use a token and bring the compression down a little.
    Sag is at 30% with 107psi

    As for the shock, I started with fox recommendations but I also want to try a bit less slow speed compression with these 2 bands. Psi is also a tad lower.
    Sag is at 27%

    I’m at 25% sag at 103. I think I’m going to try sag at 30% which will probably be around 95 psi. If you watch any of the tuning videos with Jodie from Fox they recommend starting with sag at 15-20% on forks. I’d have to have Richie Rude speed for that to work, which unfortunately I don’t.

  210. Been a bit tough to get out for some testing. I will report back after I do get time in on the new suspension settings.

    In the meantime, has anyone tried a mixed wheel size on their Kenevo SL?

    I’m going to setup my suspension with 29s but then try a 27.5 rear with the high and steep setup – to see how that feels.

    The Specialized Geo setup guide talks about mixed wheel size, and I thought that it’s worth a try at least. 🧐

  211. You guys are all making me very and my Levo HT bery jealous. Waiting for my S2 to be received at the bike shop.

    I read a post where the tester did setup in mullet … but changed back to 29’er because the handling characteristics were not as good. Sorry, i can’t find the link anymore.

  212. Been a bit tough to get out for some testing. I will report back after I do get time in on the new suspension settings.

    In the meantime, has anyone tried a mixed wheel size on their Kenevo SL?

    I’m going to setup my suspension with 29s but then try a 27.5 rear with the high and steep setup – to see how that feels.

    The Specialized Geo setup guide talks about mixed wheel size, and I thought that it’s worth a try at least. 🧐

    I think they didn’t update the text from the levo geo calc . I could be wrong though. I did find spec errors that they then corrected when I bugged them enough to get what the actual spec was lol

    but in terms of testing, someone on the Facebook levo sl/ksl group has been trying with limited luck

  213. I had my first run today. Started out with Fox’s recommended fork and shock settings. They did not work for me. Here is where I am at currently: The shock at 235 psi for 30% sag; rebound 10 out; compression fully open. For the fork, at 200lbs Fox recommends 100-105 psi. I ended up at 93psi with 1 volume spacer; high speed compression 4 out, low speed 8 out; high speed rebound 5 out, low 7 out. The Fox 38 and the rear linkage design are very good. I typically run a coil shock, but this is the first bike I’ve ridden in a long time that doesn’t feel like it will need a coil shock. The motor definitely has noticeably less power than my YT Decoy, but still enough. You just have to go uphill slower in a lower gear. For me, it is the perfect combination. I need the exercise at my age. The lighter weight is significant and much closer to the feel of a non-Ebike. Definitely easier to jump and throw around. If climbing as fast as possible is your thing I don’t think this is the bike for you. I like rougher downhill trails, moderate jumps (6-10’ doubles) and 4-5’ drops are in my comfort zone. I’ve done 12-15’ gaps but I need to work up to those on trails I’m able to do a lot of runs on. I’m 65 years old and come from a motocross background and ride with younger guys that are significantly faster than me when possible if that helps. I enjoy technical climbing, but don’t care how long it takes to get to the top. I get passed by younger and fitter riders on non-Ebikes all the time and it doesn’t bother me.

    Did your fork come with any tokens installed? I haven’t checked yet. I am actually at 93ish psi (176lb) weight, with compression mostly open and rebound a tad faster than what fox recommends. Feels pretty killer but I haven’t gotten full travel more than once (cased a 25 ft table lol)

    I am bottom out the shock at bit more than I like (at least at the bike park). Otherwise it’s feel great. I think I will try a volume reducer in the rear Vs go up in psi

  214. Did your fork come with any tokens installed? I haven’t checked yet.

    Each of these forks (factory or not) should come with 2 reducers. (standard on non-emtb 170mm spec)

    And yeah, I agree that a reducer added to the shock vs adding psi is the right way to go.
    I added 10 more psi last week – it reduced bottoming out and stopped the full travel on small hits but lost the plush feeling in the mid stroke.

  215. My fork came with 2 volume spacers. At 200lbs and 100psi in the fork I wasn’t using all the travel. Only about 150mm. I dropped psi to 93 and removed a volume spacer and it feels very good. Nice and plush but not blowing through the travel or bottoming out excessively. My next ride will be at the bike park with significantly higher speeds and bigger drops and jumps. I will find out if I need a volume spacer in the shock.
  216. Got a couple of runs in tonight.
    Still need to do proper bracket testing.
    (Tomorrow, I hope)

    I’m on a S3 – I’m 97kg / 215lbs ~

    Shock: So with 2 bands in the shock – feels really good. Did a high speed flow/tech run with decent compressions throughout.
    Shock felt amazing. Travel used was perfect.
    PSI is 210. Big improvement from previous ride. (Had 220psi and no volume reducers. Shock seemed harsh)

    Fork: 3 tokens and I came down to 110PSI – sitting at 18% sag.
    Not using as much travel as I thought I would, even from some decent drops that would use max (without bottoming) travel on my ZEB.
    This bike is at least 10 lbs lighter, so I guess it all makes sense.
    Im going to try a bit less PSI – go to 20% sag and leave 3 token for my next testing session.

    I’ll get into compression and rebound settings after the next ride.

    Cheers

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  217. Some action. Maybe when I find time I will put a YouTube together. Maybe

    Got a couple of runs in tonight.
    Still need to do proper bracket testing.
    (Tomorrow, I hope)

    I’m on a S3 – I’m 97kg / 215lbs ~

    Shock: So with 2 bands in the shock – feels really good. Did a high speed flow/tech run with decent compressions throughout.
    Shock felt amazing. Travel used was perfect.
    PSI is 210. Big improvement from previous ride. (Had 220psi and no volume reducers. Shock seemed harsh)

    Fork: 3 tokens and I came down to 110PSI – sitting at 18% sag.
    Not using as much travel as I thought I would, even from some decent drops that would use max (without bottoming) travel on my ZEB.
    This bike is at leas10 lbs lighter, so I guess it all makes sense.
    Im going to try a bit less PSI – go to 20% sag and leave 3 token for my next testing session.

    I’ll get into compression and rebound settings after the next ride.

    Cheers

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    Nice report . What is your sag in the rear measured at the shock? I am running 220psi (according to my very old rockshox pump ) to get 30% at my 180lb ish weight . No volume bands as of yet, but that’s going in soon.

    btw where you able to get the volume bands in the x2 without removing the rear shock?

  218. What is your sag in the rear measured at the shock?

    Sag = 35% according to my callipers.
    PSI = 212 according to my digital RS pump

    btw where you able to get the volume bands in the x2 without removing the rear shock?

    I had to remove the shock completely. It’s way too tucked into the shock tunnel, I think.
    Removal wasn’t too bad. Just watch out for the little bits between the pivot arms and bearings. I had to look at the exploded view diagram when putting it back together.

  219. Thanks @Kinger . 35% is a bit higher than I would have thought to work with this bike, but it does have a pretty progressive leverage rate. I was hitting the bottom out bumper yesterday on a few cased jumps (25-30ft to the knuckle). I wouldn’t call it harsh, but it could have been gentler.

    Jump is the ramp in this (did not case it in this clip). Oh and this bike rips at the park..

  220. @jcmonty – I agree about the 35% Sag.
    I’m going to get back to 30% and see if 2 bands keeps me away from full travel.
    Need to try it on the local jump trails.
    That Party Wave looks amazing!
  221. I’m at 235 psi for 30%. I haven’t had a chance to do bracket testing yet, but it feels quite good so far. How many reducers are in the stock S3?
    That trail at the bike park looks mighty fun!
    I agree with removing the rear shock. There are lots of bushings, spacers, dust seals with this linkage. On my Enduro I was very deliberate about laying out the pieces in the order they came off. Watch the torque settings closely. I snapped one of the Upper linkage bolts on my Enduro because I read the wrong torque number from the exploded view. It was only about 4Nm higher than what it should have been. I assume they are designed this way to prevent damage to the frame. Specialized was very good and sent me an entire rear linkage axle, bolt, bushing, spacer kit. They probably assumed this idiot will do it again.
  222. I’m at 235 psi for 30%. I haven’t had a chance to do bracket testing yet, but it feels quite good so far. How many reducers are in the stock S3?
    That trail at the bike park looks mighty fun!
    I agree with removing the rear shock. There are lots of bushings, spacers, dust seals with this linkage. On my Enduro I was very deliberate about laying out the pieces in the order they came off. Watch the torque settings closely. I snapped one of the Upper linkage bolts on my Enduro because I read the wrong torque number from the exploded view. It was only about 4Nm higher than what it should have been. I assume they are designed this way to prevent damage to the frame. Specialized was very good and sent me an entire rear linkage axle, bolt, bushing, spacer kit. They probably assumed this idiot will do it again.

    I have read about enduros from the factory having binding from over torquing. It’s probably a good idea just to check anyways. Glad they have an exploded view on this one! Had to search for an old stumpy one for the SL.

  223. Couple questions:

    1) Anyone have intel on when framesets might show up? Got an S5 on order and looks like Spesh’s database just shows “more than 45 days out”.

    2) Thoughts on over forking to 180mm? Have a pretty new 180mm Zeb I’ve been loving on my Enduro that I’m leaning toward swapping over to KSL.

  224. Thanks @Kinger . 35% is a bit higher than I would have thought to work with this bike, but it does have a pretty progressive leverage rate. I was hitting the bottom out bumper yesterday on a few cased jumps (25-30ft to the knuckle). I wouldn’t call it harsh, but it could have been gentler.

    Jump is the ramp in this (did not case it in this clip). Oh and this bike rips at the park..

    Not bad man!

  225. Couple questions:
    2) Thoughts on over forking to 180mm? Have a pretty new 180mm Zeb I’ve been loving on my Enduro that I’m leaning toward swapping over to KSL.

    I bet you’d enjoy it.
    Im sure you’re thinking of running it with the low setting on the Horst link.
    Are you going to play with offset headset cups too?
    If you don’t like it, for any reason, air springs are cheap and an easy install. ;)

  226. Couple questions:

    1) Anyone have intel on when framesets might show up? Got an S5 on order and looks like Spesh’s database just shows “more than 45 days out”.

    2) Thoughts on over forking to 180mm? Have a pretty new 180mm Zeb I’ve been loving on my Enduro that I’m leaning toward swapping over to KSL.

    I’m running 180 front and 65 mm stroke on the rear and have it set up high in the rear and middle setting at the headset cup and it’s riding pretty sweet.

  227. I’m running 180 front and 65 mm stroke on the rear and have it set up high in the rear and middle setting at the headset cup and it’s riding pretty sweet.

    Have you measure the bb height and HTA? Just curious what that would do to the geo. Probably ~ 63.5 is and 360mm?

    Just looking at the geo calc.. seems like headcup in "slack" and bb in "high" could be an interesting setup. 63.2 HTA, steeper STA at 76.7 and shorter chainstays (all compared to stock). Could be a bit more playful on the steeps and climb a tad easier (though neither of those areas are complaints with the stock setup). May have to try that at some point soon

  228. I bet you’d enjoy it.
    Im sure you’re thinking of running it with the low setting on the Horst link.
    Are you going to play with offset headset cups too?
    If you don’t like it, for any reason, air springs are cheap and an easy install. ;)

    Have my Enduro with 180mm up front in high setting otherwise pedal strikes are an issue.

  229. I’m running 180 front and 65 mm stroke on the rear and have it set up high in the rear and middle setting at the headset cup and it’s riding pretty sweet.

    Great to hear! Yeah, high/middle was my guess on setup with the 180mm fork. What shock are you running at 65mm? Will likely put an EXT on the KSL once my bank account begins it’s recovery… Arma on my Enduro is unbelievable.

  230. Have my Enduro with 180mm up front in high setting otherwise pedal strikes are an issue.

    I am running the stock settings of Low pivot and Mid head angle and have noticed pedal strikes on the last few rides.
    Now when it comes to running a 180mm fork, you’re raising your BB height, no? – But moving your weight slightly back in riding position.. so it that why my assumption is wrong? – That low would be ok for a 10mm raise on the front end?

    Just thinking out load ;)

  231. Have you measure the bb height and HTA? Just curious what that would do to the geo. Probably ~ 63.5 is and 360mm?

    Just looking at the geo calc.. seems like headcup in "slack" and bb in "high" could be an interesting setup. 63.2 HTA, steeper STA at 76.7 and shorter chainstays (all compared to stock). Could be a bit more playful on the steeps and climb a tad easier (though neither of those areas are complaints with the stock setup). May have to try that at some point soon

    Using my iphone level it says 63.8 and my angle level roughly around 63.5. I calibrated the phone on different surfaces multiple times and it came back with the same reading. The 180mm Ohlins dual crown is 10mm shorter axel to crown than the stock 170mm Fox fork.
    I haven’t had enough time to play with the settings yet but the short bike park ride I did I got a couple pedal strikes so I lifted it, seems good now. Once I get a few more rides in I’ll play with the settings a bit more, I may add 10mm to the front end.

  232. Great to hear! Yeah, high/middle was my guess on setup with the 180mm fork. What shock are you running at 65mm? Will likely put an EXT on the KSL once my bank account begins it’s recovery… Arma on my Enduro is unbelievable.

    I’m running Ohlins TTX air 2.
    My brother runs EXT Arma and Era on his ff Kenevo and swears by it.

  233. I’m running Ohlins TTX air 2.
    My brother runs EXT Arma and Era on his ff Kenevo and swears by it.

    He must have deep pockets for that bling!

    I have OH:LINS RXF36 coil for the front and TTX Coil for the rear … transplanting from my Rocky Slayer when the KSL arrives. Glad to here that 230×65 is not an issue to run :)

  234. He must have deep pockets for that bling!

    I have OH:LINS RXF36 coil for the front and TTX Coil for the rear … transplanting from my Rocky Slayer when the KSL arrives. Glad to here that 230×65 is not an issue to run :)

    We work hard to play hard!

    Yeah 65mm stroke has plenty room, could probably go more but am happy with the rear end @177mm travel. It works so good that it feels like more travel anyway.

    Make sure you throw up some pics of your set up when it’s done!

  235. We work hard to play hard!

    Yeah 65mm stroke has plenty room, could probably go more but am happy with the rear end @177mm travel. It works so good that it feels like more travel anyway.

    Make sure you throw up some pics of your set up when it’s done!

    EXT rear shocks are $1,000 us, but come with 2 springs and custom valving. Fox DHX2 + 2x SLS springs is $900 us (and based on my experience will last about a week :)

  236. Picked up an S4 KSL and in the process of setting it up. Did a few rough measurements which might explain the pedal strikes some are mentioning here.
    With the rear in low and the fork in the mid setting the BB height is approx 335mm. This is loowww.
    I changed the rear to high which brought it up to approx 347mm then finally changed the fork to the steep option and ended up with a 350mm BB height.
    Putting the fork in the steep setting also reduced the front centre by about 10mm.
    I’ll start here, see how it feels and adjust as necessary.
    230psi in the shock for 18mm shock sag but will check the wheel travel sag to confirm actual %.
    100psi in the fork with one token.

    :cool:Stoked to have found one! So looking forward to the first ride

  237. Picked up an S4 KSL…

    With the rear in low and the fork in the mid setting the BB height is approx 335mm. This is loowww.
    I changed the rear to high which brought it up to approx 347mm then finally changed the fork to the steep option and ended up with a 350mm BB height.
    Putting the fork in the steep setting also reduced the front centre by about 10mm.
    I’ll start here, see how it feels and adjust as necessary.

    First off, congrats on scoring the new bike.
    I love the KSL so far.

    I’m about to head out to the garage and change the low to high.
    I’m going to leave the mid setting on the head angle and see how it rides tomorrow.
    I do really like the flow trails with the low setting. Berms have been fun! But tech climbs have been noticeable with strikes.

    I also still want try a mixed wheel setup – even if just for a day on flow trails ;)

    Enjoy the new bike!

  238. Put a RideWrap kit on. Relatively painless process, took about 90mins and I’m really happy with the end result. Found it easier to handle than Invisiframe and the RideWrap coverage is better too. Bike is good to go!
    Fork at 100psi with 1 token feels supple but definitely less mid stroke than my Mezzer set up. First trail ride will reveal what needs to happen with that.
    The shock has 230psi and today I had a friend help with measuring (hopefully it’s more accurate than bending down and resetting the o ring) and I got a wheel travel sag figure of 50mm which is 29%. Good starting point.
    FYI the o ring had moved 15mm on the shock so either I moved it slightly when I measured it initially myself (I got 18mm) and/or the geo changes have had that effect.
    I’m 88kg (197lbs)btw.
  239. I know it’s objective but, at 6’2" or 188cm is it better a s4 or S5? I cant demo anywhere nearby before buy it online.

    Thanks

  240. Put a RideWrap kit on. Relatively painless process, took about 90mins and I’m really happy with the end result. Found it easier to handle than Invisiframe and the RideWrap coverage is better too. Bike is good to go!
    Fork at 100psi with 1 token feels supple but definitely less mid stroke than my Mezzer set up. First trail ride will reveal what needs to happen with that.
    The shock has 230psi and today I had a friend help with measuring (hopefully it’s more accurate than bending down and resetting the o ring) and I got a wheel travel sag figure of 50mm which is 29%. Good starting point.
    FYI the o ring had moved 15mm on the shock so either I moved it slightly when I measured it initially myself (I got 18mm) and/or the geo changes have had that effect.
    I’m 88kg (197lbs)btw.

    I need to get ride wrap before I scratch this frame.

    I have liked the 38 so far vs. the Mezzer. It’s noticeably more supple off the top and a bit more progressive. I miss the linearity of the Mezzer ( i had it setup ~ 1.5 ratio IRT/Main if i recall), and the soft HBO feel, but I can’t say the 38 is lacking too much midstroke. It could just be how I preferred my mezzer to feel, but I may still swap that over to get some back to back impressions. How were you running your mezzer pressure-wise, and on what bike?

    BTW the bleeder valves on the 38 are awesome if you change elevation much. In the mountains last weekend, it made a noticeable difference when I released the trapped air on the trail.

  241. I know it’s objective but, at 6’2" or 188cm is it better a s4 or S5? I cant demo anywhere nearby before buy it online.

    Thanks

    What size bikes (reach, stack, etc) have you preferred in the past? I am 6’1" and on the S4. It feels amazing, but I did go down to 45mm stem, which actually made a difference in fit.

    For reference, I also have a 497mm reach w/35mm stem Paradox v3 which has a pretty darn high stack at 669mm ( granted it’s a hardtail so that number is a bit relative) – and the s4 KSL feels bigger sitting or standing. Compared to my XL Levo SL – the seated fit feels more compact on the KSL (in a good way) and standing feels slightly larger on the KSL.

  242. Group question: (Coil)
    IF you were wanting to go coil with the KSL, would you stick with 230×62.5 or would you go to 230×65 and what’s your thinking?
  243. Group question: (Coil)
    IF you were wanting to go coil with the KSL, would you stick with 230×62.5 or would you go to 230×65 and what’s your thinking?

    Personally I would stick with 62.5mm for a few reasons:

    1) I think that the 170mm is more than enough and gaining ~ 7mm isn’t moving the needle for me
    2) I can’t speak for the KSL, but i know that the SL was reallllyyyy tight between the yoke and seatstay. I couldn’t have run 55mm if I wanted (with the CC Link), which just speaks to some of the tolerances with these highend carbon bikes. Again, may not apply here, but why risk it?
    3) The leverage rate gets flat and perhaps a smidge regressive at the end stroke. So, I don’t think that 7mm extra would be quality IMO. Personally, I would rather a shock with HBO or similar to help with some of that progression bottom out.

    I am on the fence if I want to go that route. The stock x2 performance is really good as it sits. I may try a volume spacer to up the progression a bit, but I am fairly happy. The EXT e-storia is a pretty sweet looking shock though..

  244. @jcmonty – I agree with you and am on the same page. I’m interested in trying a coil – some day – but with the way the bike feels right now (stock) with added volume reduction (still on 2 bands)… I’m happy.
    This morning I did 2 back to back rides and was very pleased with where the bike setup is at.

    Mabey I’ll look at another shock if/when I blow this one or send it in for a tune up? ;)

  245. Group question: (Coil)
    IF you were wanting to go coil with the KSL, would you stick with 230×62.5 or would you go to 230×65 and what’s your thinking?

    I’m normally more than happy to go with more but in this case I would stick with the 62.5mm stroke. Main reason that I wouldn’t go the 65mm stroke would be the increased chance of pedal strikes as the bike is quite low.

  246. I need to get ride wrap before I scratch this frame.

    I have liked the 38 so far vs. the Mezzer. It’s noticeably more supple off the top and a bit more progressive. I miss the linearity of the Mezzer ( i had it setup ~ 1.5 ratio IRT/Main if i recall), and the soft HBO feel, but I can’t say the 38 is lacking too much midstroke. It could just be how I preferred my mezzer to feel, but I may still swap that over to get some back to back impressions. How were you running your mezzer pressure-wise, and on what bike?

    BTW the bleeder valves on the 38 are awesome if you change elevation much. In the mountains last weekend, it made a noticeable difference when I released the trapped air on the trail.

    First ride today. Overall I would describe the 38 as unremarkable. This isn’t a bad thing, it didn’t do anything for me to complain about…..that’s probably a good thing lol. HSC 7 LSC 5 HSR 3 LSR 6 (all from closed).

    My Mezzer was at 170mm travel and 60/90psi on a Banshee Titan. I might put that on the KSL to try at some stage.

    The X2 rear feels quite good. 230psi is giving me 29% wheel travel sag and the support feels decent. I opened up the rebound to 14 out and it’s feeling good but I need more time on the bike to fine tune. The rear wheel is a little flexy so I’m putting my carbon wheels on next to stiffen things up a bit.

    I had one small pedal strike (something that I was concerned about hence why the bike is in the high/steep settings to begin with) but overall it wasn’t a concern which is great. I can now start dropping the BB height to see if there is a low limit for my local trails. If the lower BB feels good and it is striking I can look at shorter cranks as an option or even a 180 fork.

    Brakes were average to begin with but have gotten better with use. I may change to my Dominion’s but I’ll wait a month or so to give the Code’s a chance.

    I love how the bike pedals when it’s off and also above the assistance limit of 25kmh. My previous FF Levo was a soul sucking nightmare above the limit…any wonder they get de restricted.

    The KSL is only slightly heavier than my Titan so jumping feels the same and if anything the KSL is easier to manual. Today’s ride was an extremely positive intro to this bike.

  247. Checked out the online geo calculator and found this verbiage stapled to the end of every setup description:

    “Mixed wheel setup provides a nimble ride with quick cornering and additional rear wheel clearance when getting over the back of the bike.”

    WTF… was this thing maybe designed to be a switch hitter but for some reason Spesh is maybe muffling that for marketing reasons??

    Don’t mind me… busted collarbone with a KSL on order. Both should sort themselves out around the same time. Until then nothing to do but froth and post a bunch of BS questions for you lucky f-cks.

    :whistle:

  248. Checked out the online geo calculator and found this verbiage stapled to the end of every setup description:

    “Mixed wheel setup provides a nimble ride with quick cornering and additional rear wheel clearance when getting over the back of the bike.”

    WTF… was this thing maybe designed to be a switch hitter but for some reason Spesh is maybe muffling that for marketing reasons??

    Don’t mind me… busted collarbone with a KSL on order. Both should sort themselves out around the same time. Until then nothing to do but froth and post a bunch of BS questions for you lucky f-cks.

    :whistle:

    Yeah I noticed that too on the Geo charts. Might try the smaller rear wheel, you never know it could be great.
    Heal fast mate and fingers crossed the bike arrives just as you are fixed!

  249. Pretty sure they copy and pasted from the gen 3 levo and didn’t edit. They has a few mistakes on the spec as well when the ksl launched
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